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    Quote Originally Posted by seniorita View Post
    because i had my doubts if i remembered right when i answered about plushy in 2000(nothing to do with rival with Yag), from wikipedia, plush was winning the first place from beginning of season 1999-2000 , whole season 2000-2001 and 2001-2002 until grand prix final, so it was not an excuse of injury of his rivals or luck, 16 out of 17 competitions he came first, with one interval of Worlds 2000 where he didnt lose only to yag but he popped the whole program big time, so he also lost to himself.
    Out of subject, can anyone tell me when quad was introduced in sp?was ti 1998 or 99, i cant find that info.
    I think that the quad was first allowed in the SP for the men starting from the the 1998/1999 season. It certainly was not allowed in the SP at 98 Olys or Worlds.

    I think a poster recently mentioned that the quad could only be the solo jump as it wasn't allowed in the combination, but i wasn't sure about that. I can't go on youtube at work but i'm sure if you look for either Yags or Plush SPs from 98/99 season you will be able to see which jumps they do to verify any conditions on using the quad in the SP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joesitz View Post
    It's not just the medals that I admire. btw, do you like any skater who is not Russian?
    me i like any skater who is not a Joubert.
    (i m joiking, sorry for interrupting, i ll go to my corner)

    thanx ant for info, i ll check!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    But then again, you can't blame someone for liking one skater better than another, whether anyone skates perfect performances or not. Joe likes Abt and Klimkin. That's OK by me. Some of my personal favorites are Karam and O'keefe, Watanabe and Kido, and Vakhtang Murvanidze.

    They are not as good as Navka and Kostomarov or Brian Joubert, but I still like them.


    it seems to me there's a double standard going on in this thread. If you don't like Plushy you're a hater and you don't know what you're talking about, but any other skater is fair game... not sure how that works, but oh well. What do I know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonichelle View Post


    it seems to me there's a double standard going on in this thread. If you don't like Plushy you're a hater and you don't know what you're talking about, but any other skater is fair game... not sure how that works, but oh well. What do I know.
    Really? Why I always has the opinion that the people don't like Plushy here are neutral, objective, fair, square without bias and personal emotion, just as the dog metaphor user? ......that's must be my misunderstanding
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    But then again, you can't blame someone for liking one skater better than another, whether anyone skates perfect performances or not.
    Sure. But I'm trying to understand one's logic. That's the first thing.
    The second thing is that I didn't say a single word about Abt and Klimkin's qualities although saw several Joesitz's posts which sounded like oh, well, Plushenko and Yagudin? Those guys who had a couple of good skates and were always overrated by judges?
    It seems to me a little bit unfair although - I'll tell you a secret - I've always disliked Plushenko, not to say more. Actually he irritated me and still does. Well, I hated him. To tell the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joesitz View Post
    btw, do you like any skater who is not Russian?
    Actually there are only two pairs who seem ineteresting to me in Russian team - Dom/Shab and Il/Mais. Talking about juniors it's Martyusheva-Rogonov, Larionova and Ryazanova. All the others just pass me by.
    I like Asada, Rippon, Amodio, Pechalat/Bourzat, Cap/Lan, Virtue/Moir but I'm not in love. I'm trying to find superpower but it seems it doesn't exist in now days figure skating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fashionista View Post
    I'll tell you a secret - I've always disliked Plushenko, not to say more.
    I had a chance to meet Plushenko once at a cheesefest. He was very nice and friendly to the fans. And he went the extra mile in being courteous and gentlemanly towards the lady skaters in the show.

    He seemed especially to be friends with Michelle Kwan. (Anyone who is nice to Michelle Kwan is automatically my friend. )

    I also met Yagudin, at 2002 Skate America. He was skating in a lot of pain because of his hip situation. He won the short but was not able to continue in the long. Even so he showed respect for the audience by dressing for the LP and taking the ice to make his announcement that he would not be able to continue. That was cool, and the audience appreciated the fact that he gave everything he had.

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    From what i ve seen the so called plushy fans usually also liked yagudin, acknowledged his skating talent, root for other skaters too and dont complain about the times plush was defeated by yag or joubert (i have a small question mark for grand prix final 2002 because plushenko's Cirque du Soleil was an awesome program) , I m not sure about the other way around...
    One little, tiny thing i minded in yagudin once was the Skate Canada 2003-2004 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9ZFwcpCOzc
    , everybody applauded plush in Nijiinki and even more cause he was skating with both knees seriously injured,but Yag didnt even when the camera was on him..apart from that both had made silly-rival-ish declarations that I never minded..

    I also met plushy twice and he was very polite and funny, spent 1 +1/2 hour talking with people, but my general impression was that he is a bit shy outside the rink, he seemed like he prefers to be in his bubble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seniorita View Post
    One little, tiny thing i minded in yagudin once was the Skate Canada 2003-2004 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9ZFwcpCOzc
    , everybody applauded plush in Nijiinki and even more cause he was skating with both knees seriously injured,but Yag didnt even when the camera was on him..apart from that both had made silly-rival-ish declarations that I never minded..
    I believe Skate Canada 2003 is the occasion where Yagudin gave his farewell speech to skating fans (he also did a touching performance, skating to Michael Nyman's Memorial). Maybe he was just too immersed in his thoughts and emotions to notice anything else. Besides, maybe he did applaud (a short one I suppose), but the camera just didn't catch that moment.

    Thanks for the link. I happened to rewatch Yagudin's Memorial a month or so ago. I remember I thought to myself how strange the fate was that Yagudin was saying his farewell at the competition where Plushenko claimed gold (and Plusy went to Skate Canada only twice), and I wondered what Plusy was thinking at that very moment and suddenly wanted to see his face very much. I couldn't find any links at youtube then. So here is my thanks to you

    ETA: I'm a Yagudin fan, but I also can appreciate Plusy's merits in skating. If he wants to come back and works hard to achieve this goal, why not? Best of luck to him!
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    Another article about Evgeni's comeback

    http://www.cbc.ca/sports/figureskati...plushenko.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by skatingbc View Post
    Another article about Evgeni's comeback

    http://www.cbc.ca/sports/figureskati...plushenko.html
    In the comments section, someone wrote that the Russians have wonderful footwork and that of the men, only Patrick Chan "pays attention to this skill" nowadays. That's just laughable - Chan's got great step sequences, but come on, he's by no means the only one who's good at it. Not to mention that as fun and exciting as Yagudin's footwork was in 2002, it wasn't the hardest we've ever seen technically.

    The article itself mentions that Plushy already has two quads - am I the only one who finds this hard to believe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buttercup View Post
    In the comments section, someone wrote that the Russians have wonderful footwork and that of the men, only Patrick Chan "pays attention to this skill" nowadays. That's just laughable - Chan's got great step sequences, but come on, he's by no means the only one who's good at it. Not to mention that as fun and exciting as Yagudin's footwork was in 2002, it wasn't the hardest we've ever seen technically.

    The article itself mentions that Plushy already has two quads - am I the only one who finds this hard to believe?
    I think that a ton of the men nowadays have good footwork. Patrick's works best for be because of the high level of difficulty and the flow throughout. I've been watching some Plushenko performances via Youtube the past couple days to see how I feel about this, and his footwork is booooooooooo-ring. A couple brackets here, a couple mohawks there and the best part...a lunge! I feel like his performances were good jump-wise, but there's nothing else there. I feel like I'm watching a robot when he's skating. JMO, but if he's only working on jumps at the moment, he's going to have some problems.

    And also, the comment about the quads was coming from his agent. He might not be the most accurate source.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skatingbc View Post
    IAnd also, the comment about the quads was coming from his agent. He might not be the most accurate source.
    That's one reason I found it hard to believe.

    Plushy was very good at the overwrought, windmilling arms kind of step sequences that CoP rewards. My feeling has always been that some skaters make it seem like they're doing something difficult, while others do difficult elements and make them look smooth, flowing and easy. I don't blame Plushenko for taking advantage of the system, but I'd rather watch skaters from the second group.

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    Everybody went crazy with his straight footwork, but I always liked his circular steps especially when he used to throw an axel right after it.
    In a report somewhere posted here of a journalist that went to watch a daily training of plushenko, he wrote he was jumping quad toe after some first failed attempts and did quad salcow but probably as a part of training to have a steady tripe cause plushenko himslef said he wont use this.
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    I agree that Patrick Chan has something special going on in the footwork category. His feet are constantly in motion. He is about the only skater besides Kurt Browning where you actually watch his feet during the footwork section (also Kozuka.)

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