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    Quote Originally Posted by Joesitz View Post
    I presume you are saying that if he lands his quads, nothing else will matter? I kind of agree with that but I didn't want to sound biased.

    Someday, they will turn off the music (praise to be) and let the skaters take on the jumps of their choices for scoring. The highest scorer should be considered the greatest skater of them all.
    Sorry, I didn`t understand your question correctly. I thought we were speaking about the sort of "dancing" Plushenko`s been showing for ages now -plenty of stops with doing nothing but posing, rolling eyes, and staring at the judjes (it doesn`t matter if this matches with music or not) for recovering his strenght so that he could continue jumping and not to die of that before his program is finished! And I never believe he is going to change anything in this aspect! Why should he change? He always was granted enormous marks for "artistic" presentation:he just needed to jump! And I don`t think that it matters anything to him who his choreographers currently are (not these then those). But what amuses me is that he seriously believes he still CAN land quads hardly doing triples with stops!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonichelle View Post
    the man's over 40.
    oh, i hope u know i was joking

    I think fans are two fold in appreciating figure skating
    i liked buttle's programs, the one thing i didnt like about him is his attempts in quad-falling for the points, but he played by Cop rules so fair enough..i dont know which category am I, liking also plush and lambiel and weir, basically i like figure skaters that look like they re enjoying it, either enjoying it just themselves or through the audience cheering, and the ones who make fs look easy.

    If he believes he can land quads, then maybe he knows something more than you and me, I like people who fight against possibilities anyway. Mishin said the other day his body remembers quads, now he has to land them constantly, I dont know if he cares about his choreo since I m not there, but it looks like over the years he tried to do something different than usual. i know we argue about choreo but he can have one and jumb, I dont think though he can have the demanding choreo Chan does and jumb quads, but then neither Chan does it so far
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    Quote Originally Posted by elanna View Post
    But I doubt if he is able to jump quads now at all!
    You shouldn't have any doubts cos he already has 4T and trying to do 4S.
    Here's an article about his recent 50 min training. Journalist comments every move of Plushenko and every element and jump he makes.
    It's in russian but you can use google translator. http://www.sovsport.ru/gazeta/article-item/322301
    I must disappoint you he already has all triples.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seniorita View Post

    i liked buttle's programs, the one thing i didnt like about him is his attempts in quad-falling for the points, but he played by Cop rules so fair enough..i dont know which category am I, liking also plush and lambiel and weir, basically i like figure skaters that look like they re enjoying it, either enjoying it just themselves or through the audience cheering, and the ones who make fs look easy.

    If he believes he can land quads, then maybe he knows something more than you and me, I like people who fight against possibilities anyway. Mishin said the other day his body remembers quads, now he has to land them constantly, I dont know if he cares about his choreo since I m not there, but it looks like over the years he tried to do something different than usual. i know we argue about choreo but he can have one and jumb, I dont think though he can have the demanding choreo Chan does and jumb quads, but then neither Chan does it so far
    Figure Skaters, Male or Female who enjoy and show enjoyment on the ice whether in shows or in competition, definitely have something in their favor. But I was talking about those fans who insist that all male figure skaters must show quad(s) in their competitive programs. Unfortunately, not all skaters can do that. Yet, using Weir as an example who has world wide appeal and has never shown a landed quad in his competititve programs but does show such musicality and flow, condtinues to be a favorite without the quad.

    That all seems to me like the two types of fans I was talking about. Whatever the fan perceives as being the 'best' in figure skating, is a personal choice. What the judges perceive is, well, ......I dunno. We'll wait and see.

    Just because a ballerina can whip off 32 Fuertes, doesn't mean she is the greatest ballerina. No?

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    Video of Mel/Den choreographing for Plushenko


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    Thanks for posting the video. Plushenko looks fit and I am excited to see the new programs that Melissa and Denis choreographed for him. Plushenko was honest when asked by Melissa why he is coming back he says "to win".

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwanette View Post
    Thanks for the clip, Kwanette. Evgeni does look like he wants to make the come-back and for very good reason. He wants to win it.

    Also his slide steps are quite attractive in that video. Would prefer Mischin to get out of the way.

    As soon as anyone knows if he will skate the one 2009 GP, scream it to us!!

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    He's noticeably lost his weight. Just wow.

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    Joe I want to say that by reading your posts I improve my english, I copy phrases of yours if you dont mind!
    I m not a fan who believes quads or combinations are that essential, but I m amazed when someone can do them easily or spectacularly and with confidence, I suspect there is such much hard work behind it and such concetration and strong mind that even if the skater cannot do anything else, I wow. (For me though plush is not in the category of jumbing beans). That goes also with spins and everything else that is not so common and it is original, like Lambiel's spins or Weir's smoothness, I like the skaters who try to do much more than they can and forward fs, if this is jumb combinations and quads(i dont think that they are that common) or if this is spins and footwork. On the other hand I like that skaters know their limits and play smart cause it is still a sport and not exhibitions, show their excellence and hide their flaws, I dont expect plush to start sit down in spins as I didnt expect Lambiel to have a steady 3axel or Weir to start landing 2 quads or even 1(although it pisses me off that he can land them) . Neither matter much for me, cause these skaters take their talent seriously and seem fighters to me. The rest as musicality and connection to audience and artistry, is a matter of taste.
    I also liked plush on that video. Bravo!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwanette View Post
    Oh, how adorable!

    Plushenko's English isn't too bad at all, considering that he never lived / trained in the US or Canada like Yagudin or others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwanette View Post
    What a treat! Thanks so much for posting that.

    Gooooooo Plushy - I believe!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwanette View Post
    Thanks for the clip. I like the choreography....seems very Evan actually. Dennis looks so young, and Evegeni look the same....this guy does not age. I am exicted to see what will happen next season.

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    kwanette, thank you so much!

    All I can say is "wow"! So this is going to be an exciting Olympics. Didn't you think that his movement showed in the video looked like Johnny's? He so far looks promising! Can't wait for his return!
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    Quote Originally Posted by seniorita View Post
    Joe I want to say that by reading your posts I improve my english, I copy phrases of yours if you dont mind!
    I m not a fan who believes quads or combinations are that essential, but I m amazed when someone can do them easily or spectacularly and with confidence, I suspect there is such much hard work behind it and such concetration and strong mind that even if the skater cannot do anything else, I wow. (For me though plush is not in the category of jumbing beans). That goes also with spins and everything else that is not so common and it is original, like Lambiel's spins or Weir's smoothness, I like the skaters who try to do much more than they can and forward fs, if this is jumb combinations and quads(i dont think that they are that common) or if this is spins and footwork. On the other hand I like that skaters know their limits and play smart cause it is still a sport and not exhibitions, show their excellence and hide their flaws, I dont expect plush to start sit down in spins as I didnt expect Lambiel to have a steady 3axel or Weir to start landing 2 quads or even 1(although it pisses me off that he can land them) . Neither matter much for me, cause these skaters take their talent seriously and seem fighters to me. The rest as musicality and connection to audience and artistry, is a matter of taste.
    I also liked plush on that video. Bravo!
    Nice post

    I like Plushenko, Lambiel and Weir too. They all express their wonderful talent, skills and creativity in different ways.

    I have seen all three of them live as well, and they were all awesome in their own way.

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    Seniorita, +1

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