2nd Half Warm up Groups

Do we know who will be in the 2nd half for both Mens and Ladies short programs as of now... or at least who will be in those final two groups
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Thanks!

MEN
Earlier Group
These men will draw for start order in the 5 flights (5-5-5-5-6) of the earlier group:
Anton KOVALEVSKI UKR
Ari-Pekka NURMENKARI FIN
Kevin ALVES BRA
Luis HERNANDEZ MEX
Boris MARTINEC CRO
Justin PIETERSEN RSA
Min-Seok KIM KOR
Mark WEBSTER AUS
Viktor PFEIFER AUT
Alexandr KAZAKOV BLR
Charles Shou-San PAO TPE
Gegham VARDANYAN ARM
TBA AZE
Damjan OSTOJIC BIH
Georgi KENCHADZE BUL
Matthew PARR GBR
Beka SHANKULASHVILI GEO
Tigran VARDANJAN HUN
Maxim SHIPOV ISR
Saulius AMBRULEVICIUS LTU
Joffrey BOURDON MNE
Michal DIMALANTA PHI
Andrew HUERTAS PUR
Zoltan KELEMEN ROU
Mikael REDIN SUI
Alper UCAR TUR
Later Group
These men will draw for start order in the final two flights (5-6) of the later group:
Tomas VERNER CZE
Kevin VAN DER PERREN BEL
Brian JOUBERT FRA
Patrick CHAN CAN
Evan LYSACK USA
Jeremy ABBOTT USA
Takahiko KOZUKA JPN
Nobunari ODA JPN
Yannick PONSERO FRA
Brandon MROZ USA
Sergei VORONOV RUS
These men will draw for start order in the first 3 flights (5-5-5) of the later group:
Kristoffer BERNTSSON SWE
Vaughn CHIPEUR CAN
Adrian SCHULTHEISS SWE
Takahito MURA JPN
Denis TEN KAZ
Jeremy TEN CAN
Samuel CONTESTI ITA
Jialiang WU CHN
Andrei LUTAI RUS
Gregor URBAS SLO
Jamal OTHMAN SUI
Javier FERNANDEZ ESP
Peter LIEBERS GER
Igor MACYPURA SVK
Przmyslaw DOMANSKI POL

LADIES
Earlier Group
These ladies will draw for start order within the 5 flights (5-5-5-6-6) of the earlier group:
Anna JURKIEWICZ POL
Roxana LUCA ROU
Yan LIU CHN
Teodora POSTIC SLO
Cheltzie LEE AUS
Ana Cecilia CANTU MEX
Kerstin FRANK AUT
Isabelle PIEMAN BEL
Sonia RADEVA BUL
Tamami ONO HKG
Charissa TANSOMBOON THA
Gracielle Jeanne TAN PHI
Mirna LIBRIC CRO
Victoria MUNIZ PUR
Chaochih LIU TPE
Lejeanne MARAIS RSA
Emma HAGIEVA AZE
Stacy PERFETTI BRA
Maria PAPASOTIRIOU GRE
Bianka PADAR HUN
Yoniko Eva WASHINGTON IND
Clara PETERS IRL
Zanna PUGACA LAT
Beatrice ROZINSKAITE LTU
Sonja MUGOSA MNE
Merovee EPHREM MON
Ksenia JASTSENJSKI SRB
Later Group
These ladies will draw for start order in the last two flights (6-6) of the later group:
Carolina KOSTNER ITA
Mao ASADA JPN
Yu-Na KIM KOR
Laura LEPISTO FIN
Joannie ROCHETTE CAN
Miki ANDO JPN
Sarah MEIER SUI
Rachael FLATT USA
Susanna POYKIO FIN
Alena LEONOVA RUS
Fumie SUGURI JPN
Elene GEDEVANISHVILI GEO
These ladies will draw for start order within the first 3 flights (5-5-5) of the later group:
Alissa CZISNY USA
Elena GLEBOVA EST
Ivana REITMAYEROVA SVK
Jenna McCORKELL GBR
Cynthia PHANEUF CAN
Viktoria HELGESSON SWE
Sonja LAFUENTE ESP
Tugba KARADEMIR TUR
Annette DYTYRT GER
Na-Young KIM KOR
Candice DIDIER FRA
Anastasia GIMAZETDINOVA UZB
Nella SIMAOVA CZE
Tamar KATZ ISR
Irina MOVCHAN UKR

Thanks chuckm.

How do you know this? Where can I find these lists? Are they updated as soon as someone WDs?

The skaters are first ranked in order by their ISU World Standings.
Then the lowest half of the group is assigned to the earlier session.
The top-ranked skaters will skate in the last two flights of the later session, and the remaining skaters draw for skating order in the earlier flights of the later session.

If there are withdrawals, the skating order may be affected. When Julia Sebestyen withdrew, that allowed Elene Gedevanishvili to move into the top-ranked group.

There is no "official" place to find these groups.

chuckm said:

The skaters are first ranked in order by their ISU World Standings.
Then the lowest half of the group is assigned to the earlier session.
The top-ranked skaters will skate in the last two flights of the later session, and the remaining skaters draw for skating order in the earlier flights of the later session.

If there are withdrawals, the skating order may be affected. When Julia Sebestyen withdrew, that allowed Elene Gedevanishvili to move into the top-ranked group.

There is no "official" place to find these groups.

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So you just calculate it on your own? Then I depend on you

All those skaters heading to LA. Looks like a casting call for an MGM musical.

Link to world standings on the ISU website, http://www.isu.org/vsite/vnavsite/page/directory/0,10853,4844-130267-131575-nav-list,00.html .

Chuckm, thanks for the info and the education....looks like a loooong day in that seat...

snowflake said:

How do you know this?

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It's ISU Rule No. 579 Draw for Competitors (ISU Championships -- Special Technical Rules) -- published online on p. 119ff at: http://www.isu.org/vsite/vfile/page/fileurl/0,11040,4844-191592-208815-140518-0-file,00.pdf

Link to the current ISU World standings: http://www.isu.org/vsite/vnavsite/page/directory/0,10853,4844-130267-131575-nav-list,00.html

Where can I find these lists? Are they updated as soon as someone WDs?

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A fan who posts at FSU is diligently keeping track on a personal web site at: https://sites.google.com/site/figureskatingnotes/Home

Sylvia, thanks for the link to that website. It is helpful.

The site says:

Fedor ANDREEV is entered for AZE. His status is TBC (to be confirmed). No changes to the draw groups because Andreev is ISU unranked.

Is this out of the blue? Did I miss something?

waxel said:

The site says:

Fedor ANDREEV is entered for AZE. His status is TBC (to be confirmed). No changes to the draw groups because Andreev is ISU unranked.

Is this out of the blue? Did I miss something?

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This news was a shock to everyone. Fedor was added to the list only 2 days ago. His ISU bio was updated shortly afterwards (it previously contained info from last season): http://www.isufs.org/bios/isufs00002284.htm

The key quote is "He competed at the national level in Canada until January 2009 but decided to represent Azerbaijan internationally."

Thanks chuckm, Tammi, Sylvia and "fan" for the information

Sylvia said:

A fan who posts at FSU is diligently keeping track on a personal web site at: https://sites.google.com/site/figureskatingnotes/Home

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This table is interesting and easy to read. I'm so excited...no more WDs, please.