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    The Grand Prix final has already been going without compulsories for a couple of years. They eliminated compulsories for the first time this past December for the juniors as well.

    The sport will go through inevitable growing pains should they try to design some sort of hybrid event with a set pattern. They seem to already be struggling with OD themes as it is! Next year is again the folk dance. Is EVERYTHING supposed to be "made for TV"? And what's the point of that if skating isn't even ON TV?!

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    I can't believe that we will have to sit through folk dance AGAIN. we just did that last year, and I am very sick of it. I want to see some sexy tangos!

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    I love folk dances, especially...... (everyone join with me...) POLKA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    I'm very happy with the folk dance being used. I liked quite a few of last year's programs, and hope there will not be quite so many gypsy dances this coming season.

    ANd I am thrilled to death that the only tango we have to endure is the Tango Romantica CD.

    I would like the tango better if so many of the couples did not skate to same 3 tangos, mostly the Assassin's tango. It gets beyond tedious when there are some 30 or so couples.

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    Folk dance again huh? It probably has something to do with the Olympics. I can't see another reason why they would do it two years in a row. I guess most teams will just use their current program or a slight variation of it.

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    OD will be Kalinka Festival, seriously their should be some limit on the number of kalinkas that can be danced. I don't think i can handle another year of kalinka music.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saltypig View Post
    Folk dance again huh? It probably has something to do with the Olympics. I can't see another reason why they would do it two years in a row. I guess most teams will just use their current program or a slight variation of it.
    Umm, folk dance won't be done two years in a row. It was done last year (2007/2008 season) and next season (2009/2010). In general, I agree that we will see pretty similar programs though. I'm hoping that maybe teams that picked a Russian dance last year will maybe pick a different style next year, but I'm not holding my breath.

    How about this for a Canadian folk dance though!!!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg2G5gf9GHk
    Last edited by skatingbc; 04-01-2009 at 03:54 PM.

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    CD and OD should not go IMO. They are the heart of Ice Dance, since this discipline is the transposition of ballroom on ice. Ice Dance would not have much sense then.

    IMO, if they really want to cut a fragment of the competition (which is completely unnecesary, also because they want again the Qualifying round in singles. So why cut Dance to two and having singles back to three?), they should cut the FD or merge the FD with OD.
    JMO

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    Removing the compulsories woud be a catastrophe for ice dance!
    Young teams who don't have to learn them they won't learn proper posture and skating skills so we would get to see a lot of sloppy skating
    I recall Maxim Staviski saying that he finds the compulsories very important, since they show what a couple is really capable of doing. And I agree with him.
    The ideea of a mixture of CD and OD is hideous IMO.

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    If I had my druthers they'd do more CDs and the FD would be junked and the OD expanded and returned to the old style without pair spins and lifts (the occasional twizzle would be allowed).

    added later: true dance spins (generall short in one position) would also be allowed, awful contortionist crap that has no equivalent in any kind of real dance .... wouldn't)
    Last edited by Mafke; 04-02-2009 at 07:18 PM. Reason: had to 'splain myself

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mafke View Post
    If I had my druthers they'd do more CDs and the FD would be junked and the OD expanded and returned to the old style without pair spins and lifts (the occasional twizzle would be allowed).
    ITA

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    IMHO, regardless of the method used, Skate Dance will always be worked out in advance because there is little to score. The top 10-12 Dancers ALL have good edges and basic turns. They all do twizzles and shoot the ducks, as the big tricks. So what exactly is there to judge except falls and small errors? Those few errors, btw, are a blessing for the judges. Further the top 10-12 Teams will remain basically where they are until they retire.

    When was the last time a new team (non-Russian) and without a Russian coach will appear in the top five?

    All teams can waltz in any era!

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    The problem with dance is not so much that there's not a lot to score, but that audiences are blind to most of it (rather like figures in general).

    I remember being blown away by the Duchesnays in 1988 and kind of .... underwhelmed by them once I understood more about ice dance (did she really _do_ anything those first few years?). Great performers but not great technicians - if anything the judges had them too high and close to Klimova/Ponomarenko who were .... basically ... perfect (which makes them almost boring, how can you monday morning quarterback perfection?)

    And while CoP has, on the surface, made Dance more interesting, it's done so by corrupting the very nature of the discipline.

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    If they got rid of compulsories...it would be one less chance to see our favorite teams perform D:
    And it's also really interesting to see how the places switch, how people whose strength is not in the CD can redeem themselves in the FD and OD, or the other way around.
    I think this would be disadvantageous to many skaters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mafke View Post
    The problem with dance is not so much that there's not a lot to score, but that audiences are blind to most of it (rather like figures in general).

    I remember being blown away by the Duchesnays in 1988 and kind of .... underwhelmed by them once I understood more about ice dance (did she really _do_ anything those first few years?). Great performers but not great technicians - if anything the judges had them too high and close to Klimova/Ponomarenko who were .... basically ... perfect (which makes them almost boring, how can you monday morning quarterback perfection?)

    And while CoP has, on the surface, made Dance more interesting, it's done so by corrupting the very nature of the discipline.
    Agree! Just what is it that one judges in Dance? The basics are superb with all the top teams, and only minor errors on that night happen leaving more than half still looking good. How does one pick a winner? By bushy blonde hair? by cuteness? by certain nationality? by reputation?

    I would love to read an academic paper on Skate Dance, and written by a judge. That kind of topic is what should be appearing in the skating magazines and not just the fluff stuff.

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