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    Preparing for the 2010 Olympics - Top Contenders

    What do the top contenders need to work on in preparation of their LP or FD skates at the Olys?

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    Answering honestly - I haven't got a clue!!

    So many skaters were ready and primed to peak exactly right for worlds and for some reason it went wrong.

    Yuna and evan both did exceptionally well. Evan will likely be working on the quad to get it in his programs - i suspect only the LP.

    Carolina will need some serious time with a sports psychologist this summer to help her overcome not only the worlds performance but start dealing with any residual issues from the last Olympics.

    Brian needs to get himself a coach fast and start working on two programs that won't change mid season that he practices and practices til he's fed up of doing them and then practices some more. He needs to get all his jumps out and landed and maximise all of those jumping passes.

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    I'm going to do this from the Canadian perspective...

    Patrick Chan needs to work on getting a quad in his programs. I have no doubt that he is capable of doing a quad in practice, but it's another thing working it into a 4.5 minute program. Vaughn could work on his presentation and Jeremy could work on his speed and consistency.

    Joannie needs a triple-triple, imo. I know she can do it as I have seen her do beautiful combos in warm-up! I think she can do this as she definitely has a new confident attitiude and it shows! Cynthia can compete with the best when she controls her nerves. I think that's what she needs to improve on the most.

    D/D need to work on their presentation I think. I would like to see them skate to something a little more upbeat with a quicker tempo. This could brighten them up a bit and add some energy to their programs. Otherwise, they have the goods.

    Since I know nothing about dance, I won't comment!

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    Since there is a time limit (less than a year away), I would suggest:

    Mao - Get a better routine. I am sure TT knows what to do now and stay away from waltzes.

    Kim - It would be nice to see turned out knees and pointed toes. The speed is super, otherwise a 3A may be necessary.

    Rochette - A little more of: 'drawing me into the program'.

    Flatt (if she makes it) - 3x3s solid and be more commanding iin presentation

    Chan - just be more careful. Everything is there, don't fret it.

    Joubert - You have the reputation; just get on with it.

    Daisuke - If healthy, then pour it on. Include a quad.

    US Men - Whoever goes - A quad would be nice.

    McL/Bru - More finesse, cleaner sbs spins and jumps;

    Denney/Barrett - Speed is not a problem. More super tricks are needed

    to Everyone: If you do not get on the Podium or you did not get Gold, learn from it. It's just another 4 years of work on "What You Do For Love".

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    Ant's right - Caro is in dire need of a sports psychologist. So is Tomas, who hasn't won anything all season and who can't seem to get through a program without popping jumps.

    Brian Joubert needs to sort out his coaching and choreo situation and to learn how to maximize points. He also needs a good LP - he hasn't won an LP in international competition since 2007 Euros. He will apprently be keeping his SP; if so, he needs to change the opening of that program .

    Chan needs to find younger music that he can better relate to. He's currently skating well to the music he has, but he's not actually interpreting it. Does that make sense?

    Dai needs to get back to training without overdoing it.

    Nobu needs to learn to count.

    D/W need B/A to retire. They won't get the marks so long as they're the second American team.

    Aliona and Robin need to do whatever Ingo tells them to do, because it's clearly working. Volosozhar/Morozov must find a way to stay with Steuer for the same reason.

    Laura Lepisto needs to get the triples she does have consistent, especially in combination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buttercup View Post
    Brian Joubert needs to sort out his coaching and choreo situation and to learn how to maximize points. He also needs a good LP - he hasn't won an LP in international competition since 2007 Euros. He will apprently be keeping his SP; if so, he needs to change the opening of that program .
    What and lose the PCS points for pelvic thrusting??

    *ducking and running*

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    Quote Originally Posted by antmanb View Post
    What and lose the PCS points for pelvic thrusting??

    *ducking and running*
    Ant, behave yourself or I'll make you listen to Nessun Dorma every day until Olys! I know where you live! At least sort of.

    Contrary to popular belief, I am not a fan of everything Brian does. (See: 1492, the first costume ). He needs to change the opening bit and the outfit, and also to call me regarding his LP music because my choice will be better than anything Tarasova could come up with.

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    One has to give Joubert his due.

    He has longevity in skating international competitions

    He is a powerful jumper

    He has been seen executing rhythm in galas

    He has a very good positioned camel (better than most guys)

    He is a handsome dude with a dancer's body

    He is trained in part by arguably, the best coach in today's skating

    He needs to use simple costumes

    He needs to relax

    He should win the 2010 Olympics

    JMO

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    Great thread!

    Yu Na- her positions in the spirals and the layback need a lot of work. I can't believe Brian has not worked on improving her positions.

    Mao : Find a full time coach. She just looked lost this year.

    Joannie: She should work on getting the 3/3 consistent. She still needs to work on the upper body stiffness. I would like to see some better costumes from her.

    Flatt: She needs more interesting choreography and a consistent 3/3. She needs a great choice of music for the Olympic year. Her team is moving in the right direction. I like the improvements they made in terms of costume changes and make - up. But I feel like Rachael gets a little ignored skating with all those guys. It seems like her team really didn't pay attention to her until after Nationals.

    Czisny: I feel like she is still a contender to make the team. She needs to find ways to earn points outside of the jumps. She needs to work more on choreography going in and out of the jumps she can do. She also needs to make her footwork more difficult. She needs to keep trying to find ways to relax in competition. She needs to experiment with relaxing techniques at each competition she goes to untll she finds something tht works..

    Caroline: Another contender to make the team. She of couse needs to spend her summr working with a jump specialist. Spend the summer working on your technique and speed. I also would like to see some more interesting music choices for the Olympic year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buttercup View Post
    Ant, behave yourself or I'll make you listen to Nessun Dorma every day until Olys! I know where you live! At least sort of.


    Quote Originally Posted by Buttercup View Post
    Contrary to popular belief, I am not a fan of everything Brian does. (See: 1492, the first costume ). He needs to change the opening bit and the outfit, and also to call me regarding his LP music because my choice will be better than anything Tarasova could come up with.
    I love the music for his SP and I agree that a new opening would be much better even some pivots or simple edges/alternatnig spread eagles would be better than the current opening - by worlds I would get embarassed for him watching it start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joesitz View Post
    MAO - Get a better routine. I am sure TT knows what to do now and stay away from waltzes.
    I don't agree.
    I liked Mao's choice of music, the choreography and the costume. It's a pity she was not on the podium. Artistically she is much better than last year IMO.
    I'd like to see a true Lutz.

    YUNA - This year she was just great! IMO if she repeats what she had done at Worlds ...
    I would like to see a 3A from her, or maybe better a 3Loop.

    JOANNIE - A little more of: 'drawing me into the program'.
    Actually I like her a lot artistically speaking. I'd like to see a 3/3 from her. Maybe in the SP. But she doesn't necessary need it. One of my fav skaters.

    FLATT - IMO she is trying to mimick Caroline Zhang baby ballerina style. Not working for her. Some improvements at Worlds, but still leaving me cold.

    PATRICK - Honestly, I don't like his style. I hope he will make change my idea. Maybe different music. A skater that impressed me with Rachmaninoff was the great Kwan. Unfortunately he is nowhere near her in interpretation. IMHO

    JOUBERT - Different music please!! Just show me something different from techno and rock.

    DAISUKE - I hope he will come with interesting programs as he has done last year. And I really hope he will be healthy and with a Quad

    EVAN - continue the good work his has done this year with a very elegant program. It would be good if he includes a Quad.

    Quote Originally Posted by Buttercup View Post
    Chan needs to find younger music that he can better relate to. He's currently skating well to the music he has, but he's not actually interpreting it. Does that make sense?
    Interesting, I had the same impression.
    Last edited by gio; 04-02-2009 at 09:37 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gio View Post
    I don't agree.
    I liked Mao's choice of music, the choreography and the costume. It's a pity she was not on the podium. Artistically she is much better than last year IMO.
    I heard she said she wants to do something totally different with TT next year, to show a new side of herself. If she wants to be TOTALLY different, maybe she could do a boot-scooting number like Slutskaya's ex at the 2002 games? I would so pay to see that...

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    Quote Originally Posted by berrycute View Post
    I heard she said she wants to do something totally different with TT next year, to show a new side of herself. If she wants to be TOTALLY different, maybe she could do a boot-scooting number like Slutskaya's ex at the 2002 games? I would so pay to see that...
    You mean she should try doing a program to eurodance? (Slutskaya did a Rednex - a 90s dance band - piece in 2002).
    That would be really fun to watch!
    But this is a territory, Mao has never explored, even in an exhibition (right?). I don't think she will try something that new in an Olympic year.
    Never, say never, because if she said she wants to try something completely different, she may really surprise us.
    Yagudin coached by Tarasova did an eurodance piece (Racing, or more correctly Played-A-Live by Safri Duo), but that was after he won the Olympics.
    Maybe she should try something upbeat in the SP, and then do something she is more comfortable with (Chopin for example) in the LP.

    My speculation is that she will do a tango piece in the SP or LP, considering the tango mania.
    Last edited by gio; 04-07-2009 at 09:26 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gio View Post
    Maybe she should try something upbeat in the SP, and then do something she is more comfortable with (Chopin for example) in the LP.
    If Mao does a Chopin tune again I think I'd have to slap her. Honey, you've DONE it before, twice! And done it well, twice!!! Time to move on. Actually, I hope the biggest trend for the 2010 games is original music choices. I always admired Michelle Kwan for choosing beautiful but lesser known pieces.

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    I'm thinking a little bit more, no that upbeat music will not suite Mao at all, even in a SP! She should really do a tango, IMO!!

    On the contrary Rachael Flatt should do "Meet Her at the Love Parade" (Bourne/Kratz 99 FD music) or "Open Your Mind" by Usura in the SP.

    I'd like to see Caroline Zhang do "Sarabande" by Handel. Perfect for her. But also for Mao it will be ok.

    Yu Na could do "Romanza".

    Joannie, I have to think about.
    Last edited by gio; 04-07-2009 at 08:06 PM.

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