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    Carolina Kostner changing coaches?

    Hi all,

    A fellow Carolina fan told me today that he read Carolina might be changing coaches for next season, maybe to Brian Orser. Has anyone else heard this, or anything along those lines?

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    I hope so. Kostner's 'great' performance of executing multiple single jumps still scored 90+ at world championships. I'm wondering what marks she'll get if she is able to land two triples?

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    I won't be too terribly surprised if Carolina does change coaches, but I highly doubt it would be to Brian Orser, who already coaches Yu-Na...

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    Quote Originally Posted by evangeline View Post
    I won't be too terribly surprised if Carolina does change coaches, but I highly doubt it would be to Brian Orser, who already coaches Yu-Na...
    Right, Orser seems very dedicated to Yu-Na at this point..

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    I hope it's true. Whatever Huth is doing, it's not helping Kostner, Dytrt, Verner, or Kovalevsky.

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    i can't wait for this to be confirmed. Carolina has had the same coach as long as I can remember, so this would be a big change for her. I am not so ready to believe the rumor about Brian Orser, yeah I am, sure every skater from preliminary to senior wants to train with him, but I don't think he will be ready to take on another full-time student. He already has one top lady who take up 90% of his time and don't forget that Adam Rippon has moved under his wing as well.

    I think it is about time that Carolina made this choice, it she has indeed made it. She has gotten huge scores the past few years but rarely skated well. She has the goods, and if she was ever clean for 2 programs she could beat Mao easyily and perhaps even yu-na. I guess that is what she is hoping for in Vancover, but I feel like it is just a little late. 9 months is not that long.

    I wonder if this has anything to do with popping all her jumps at worlds. Maybe she blames her coach for something?

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    I'm still at a loss as to the blame of a faulty program.

    I believe it is in the performance of the skater under fire. Something is bothering the skater. Injury? Pressure? Travel? Minor Illness? etc.

    I can not see any blame on the Coach who isn't skating the program.

    There can be many run-thrus of a new program. Surely the skater, the coach, or the choreographer can change anything necessary long before a competition.

    However, if the skater is thinking that a coach is not enhancing her tech she should see this early on and change coaches. I think in Caroline's case, this is the earliest for change. So I am ok with it. Frank Carroll, maybe?

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    Ok ,this is the situation:

    After WC 2009, once again Huth's training method was critisized. There was a huge talk after that on the media but she didn't say nothing until a week ago when she was interviewed by the major newspaper of the nation, Corriere della Sera.

    That's what she said, briefly:

    She didn't know what happened and doesn't know how to explain that performance. She felt like she had a black-out and lost all the confidence after the first 3 flip hand down.

    -she doesn't know yet if she will change coach. She always worked with Huth.
    She only said she likes Orser very much but thinks it's very unlikely that he accepts more than one female top skater.

    -the main problem turned out to be that she does not have any mental coach or sports psicologyst at least on a regular basis. So her main concern now is to find a professional help.

    -She didn't decide yet about changes in her team (physioterapist, training method, coach etc) She will meet Huth later in April or so and then take a decision. Also, she will have to meet the federation (probably already happened or will happen this week).

    Many suggested to work with Mishin. She already went to Jaca for his famous summer camp the past years and turned out to be a very helpful experience. I wish she could work with him on a regular basis especially during competitions, he seems to give a real boost of confidence to his students.

    Also, many people of the media and figure skating world of Italy noticed that it's not very likely that she takes such a decision. She always stayed with Huth and right before Worlds stated that she credits him for everything good there is in her skating.

    She often said that Oberstdorf was the ideal place for her with that peaceful environment where she can train without being distracted, with very good facilities and the best team.
    After the Olympics, when she seemed to have had a similar mental meltdown , any suggested a coaching change but she always denied it.

    Even if I know her skating career very well, I don't know what to think, but again I can't see her moving from Oberstdorf even if I wish a change. Some medias already stated there will be no changes.
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    Many suggested to work with Mishin. She already went to Jaca for his famous summer camp the past years and turned out to be a very helpful experience. I wish she could work with him on a regular basis especially during competitions, he seems to give a real boost of confidence to his students.
    Sorry for my ignorance, but who's Mishin? Who has he/she worked with before?
    Thanks :D

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    Plushenko & Yagudin, of course. Plus many other Russian skaters.

    http://northern-stars.htmlplanet.com...n_profile.html

    Perhaps Carolina wants to try the Mishin Magic Vest for refining jump technique?
    http://figureskating.about.com/od/eq...t/p/mishin.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joesitz View Post
    I'm still at a loss as to the blame of a faulty program.

    I believe it is in the performance of the skater under fire. Something is bothering the skater. Injury? Pressure? Travel? Minor Illness? etc.

    I can not see any blame on the Coach who isn't skating the program.

    There can be many run-thrus of a new program. Surely the skater, the coach, or the choreographer can change anything necessary long before a competition.

    However, if the skater is thinking that a coach is not enhancing her tech she should see this early on and change coaches. I think in Caroline's case, this is the earliest for change. So I am ok with it. Frank Carroll, maybe?
    I think that in someways Hoth seems to be a very, very good coach. Kostner has fabulous technique, as does Verner....I know Lori Nichol talked about the edging drills Hoth has.

    BUT, both Tomas and Carolina have a history of being head cases. Last year it was Tomas who had the ridiculous meltdown. Both of their results are all over the place. Are both of these skaters major headcases? I'm not sure about that.

    Now Carolina may be just a head case period. But it's clear to me that something is being done wrong because it's not like this is Kostner's only disasterous skate...At the very least she needs to change the way she approaches competition or something. It's clear Hoth hasn't helped Kostner fix the problem. And it's not the program, this is a two year program she won World silver last year with that program.

    Kostner needs someone who can help her with the mental aspect of this sport. I think Orser would be a good coach for Carolina because Orser is a former skater who knows about those kind of pressure situations. However, it would be extremely unfair to Yu-na for Orser to take on one of her top competitors and Carolina would be right up there if she could fix her issues, right before the Olympics....

    But yes, I think Kostner needs a coaching change, or she needs to do something, get a sports psychologist or something needs to change about the way she approaches competitions. Period. She's way too good for what happened to happen.

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    In my opinion Kostner and Verner do not need to change their coach in this point = so close to the Olympics, but they do need to find a person (psychologist) who is able to "give" them mental strength to continue even after a mistake.

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    Thanks Eleonora for the info! I wish I could read Italian because so much of what is written about Carolina is only in Italian, so thanks for relaying the info to us all!

    About the Mishin possibility, I thought he preferred to work only with male skaters? If Carolina does want to change away from Huth, I feel kind of doubtful he will take Carolina on as a full-time charge, and if Orser does indeed decide not to take her, as most people think, she would be kind of stuck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaana View Post
    In my opinion Kostner and Verner do not need to change their coach in this point = so close to the Olympics, but they do need to find a person (psychologist) who is able to "give" them mental strength to continue even after a mistake.
    I couldn't agree more. What really fails Huth's pupils aren't their technique but their mental strength. Maybe Huth himself should create a team of people around his skaters, each with different jobs, like some other coaches do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eleonora.d View Post
    -the main problem turned out to be that she does not have any mental coach or sports psicologyst at least on a regular basis. So her main concern now is to find a professional help.
    That's incredible. I thought she has already worked with a psychologist or something periodically. I wonder if she is aware of her mental problem.

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