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They used to do that all the time, Debbi Thomas and Midori Ito used to do a 2loop/3loop combos.
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They used to do that all the time, Debbi Thomas and Midori Ito used to do a 2loop/3loop combos.
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I just watched Rachael's SP, this time in HD, and I feel here at this competition, more than ever, she is discovering a really mature side to her skating. Her look and her skating are so lovely and improved and she's very sensitive to the music, expressing it with care, flow, and more feeling. The speed on her spins is getting better as are her positions in the spins, I think. Her expression to the music is charming. I know Joannie had the skate delay with her luggage arriving late, which may have distracted her in the SP preparation, but between her and Rachael, if I had been judging, I would have given Flatt credit for the 3+3 and placed her 2nd behind Mao in this phase of the event. Rochette does have more difficult steps, transitions, choreography, and better basic skating skills though, I think. Still, with the small hiccups on the Lutz and flip and no 3+3 and given Flatt's improvement, I think I'd have Joannie behind Rachael in the SP.
I hope everyone skates well in the LP!
I hope everyone skates well in the LP!
I agree. I fully understand the reality that ISU needs funding badly and have been looking for a new source of cash flow. What has happened was that some TV station in a country found it profitable to use the opportunity to come up with an ISU approved international "competition" held in that country. What I feel sad about is that the entire ISU organization seems to have degraded into something that is ready to run to wherever the money is and entertain a group of people, under a name of international competition. Let alone the home ice advantage, look at the nationality of the key person among the judges, the technical specialist; he is from the hosting country! And don't tell me he wouldn't be biased toward his compatriot skaters, because he has every reason to be so; for the TV ratings, for the interest of the country's skating organization, etc.The setting is perfect for everyone; the TV station can profit from advertisement sales while their national team thriving in the international competition, the skaters who need funding will get it, the country's fans will be happy because their national team performs well, and ISU is happy to get that extra funding. That's all good, but I just wish ISU didn't bill the event as an international competition and became a device of fulfilling a specific country's hunger for nationalistic pride in the process. If one says that is reality, then I fully agree, but attempting to pass the event as a competition as we understand it is a stretch.
Here is some background info of how this event came about:
http://web.icenetwork.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090410&content_id=63820&vkey=ice_news
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I think you are making too much of this. This is all to the good. Make money, have fun, entertain the fans -- where's the down side?
Any country can get together a proposal to have a competition under ISU rules, invite some international skaters, and then try to get the ISU to sanction it. Many of the cheesefests in the United States were ISU sanctioned international events. (One year the ISU withdrew recognition from one of the the Marshall's cheesefests because only American skaters were invited, so it no longer statisfied the criterion for an "international" competition.)
Again, I do not see anything to be alarmed about. There is always a risk of judging bias and home crowd advantage, whether it is the World cahmpionships, the Olympics, or whatever.
The four Technical specialists for this competition are
Men: Vladimir Petrenko, Ukraine
Ladies: Shin Amano, Japan
Pairs: David Moellenkamp, Canada
Dance: Mrs. Humphrey-Baranova, Great Britain.
On each of the judging panels Japan has one judge among seven, as do the other competing countries for the most part.
The U.S.A. is winning. I don't think this competion is a device for fulfilling the nationalistic hunger of Americans.
Japan might have hoped to win. But that's sports -- in an international competition you never know how it will turn out.
The down side is that the nation in question is Japan. Let's face it, if the WTT had been organized by the great motherland, and featured Kim Yu-Na and a bunch of her budding countrymen and women, I doubt there'd be a peep out of this person.
Ugh, I thought everyone knew this is a cheesefest, so what if the hosting country, which btw is paying over million bucks, wants to see their team win? My only reservation is that the skaters were obligated to compete here. While some skaters can really use a few grands, skaters like Evan or Kozuka definitely needed to rest.
In fact, I actually wish Japan could host pro worlds. Arakawa looks better than ever, and there are Yoshie Onda, Takeshi Honda, or even Yukina Ota. Not to mention it would be much more realistic place to compete for Sasha, Michelle, Lambiel, Yagudin, etc.
In fact, I actually wish Japan could host pro worlds. Arakawa looks better than ever, and there are Yoshie Onda, Takeshi Honda, or even Yukina Ota. Not to mention it would be much more realistic place to compete for Sasha, Michelle, Lambiel, Yagudin, etc.
I don't think it would look terribly smart if the hosting nation filled all the specialist seats with its own people. Besides, each nation's top ranked skaters from the Worlds ARE required to participate unless they have a good reason not to. Look, It is a matter of personal opinion. From what you said, I guess you are ok with what is going on. I find it a bit disturbing and disappointing to see the organization pushing it too far, putting too much burden on the skaters.
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What the heck is this? Are we talking about Kim here? I root for V&M and Rochette and it's a shame to see them go through another tiring competition, whether it's just for fun or not. By the way, don't this person me. That's rude and cowardly.
What the heck is this? Are we talking about Kim here? I root for V&M and Rochette and it's a shame to see them go through another tiring competition, whether it's just for fun or not. By the way, don't this person me. That's rude and cowardly.
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How did kim get in this...
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No, Kim Meissner isn't competing here.
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Well, I hope the Japanese hunger for 3rd place.
What they can do is what they can do. At least they managed to salvage their Miracle Mao from the pit, didn't they. She took that chance and did a great job regardless of the score she got.
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I am not totally sure how I feel about this event. I enjoy the skating and like the fact that the skaters are paid so well. But I don't like that the skaters were practically forced to compete. 
I am not totally sure how I feel about this event. I enjoy the skating and like the fact that the skaters are paid so well. But I don't like that the skaters were practically forced to compete.
I agree.
I'll "don't this person" anytime I want to. It's quite obvious who I was referring to. If you want to believe that's rude and cowardly, go right ahead.
And you don't root fervently for Yu-Na over all else? Uh huh. It's a pity you're the only one here who knows that.
It's probably been posted before, but here's the protocols for the ladies SP:
http://www.isuresults.com/results/wtt2009/wtt09_Ladies_SP_Scores.pdf
It's a disgrace, an utter disgrace, that Rochette received a +1 and a couple of zeroes for a two-footed triple lutz combo. If Susanna Poykio had done the same combo, she'd be receiving many more negative GOEs for sure. In Joannie, we've found the new Chan.
And ouch on Miki receiving a Level 1 on her layback spin. That's throwing away a lot of valuable points there.
http://www.isuresults.com/results/wtt2009/wtt09_Ladies_SP_Scores.pdf
It's a disgrace, an utter disgrace, that Rochette received a +1 and a couple of zeroes for a two-footed triple lutz combo. If Susanna Poykio had done the same combo, she'd be receiving many more negative GOEs for sure. In Joannie, we've found the new Chan.
And ouch on Miki receiving a Level 1 on her layback spin. That's throwing away a lot of valuable points there.
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Well, Joannie is hardly the only elite lady skater this happens to. I recall Mao Asada received three +1 GOEs for a clearly two-footed 3toe in the 2008 TEB LP. And let's not forget Yu-Na Kim's couple of +1 GOEs from 2008 Worlds LP for a 1Lutz.
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It's not like Joannie's PCs are over the roof. What's with the double standard?
