04-20-2009, 11:47 PM
yeah, don't get me started either... still not over his bronze medal...
Originally Posted by Kwanford Wife
04-21-2009, 12:13 AM
I prefer to wait and see if Zhang actually makes the team before speculating on her medal chances.
04-21-2009, 03:35 AM
Good point, but I will definitely be surprised if Caroline doesn't make the US Olympic team. After all,she's finished as the top US lady in every international event she's taken part in this season, except Skate Canada at the beginning of the season when she was recovering from tendonitis and a growth spurt. Yes, maybe Mirai will finally rotate her jumps next season. Or maybe Alissa will finally land more than 3 or 4 triples in her LP. Or maybe Ashley will suddenly become consistent. Anything can definitely happen next season. But at this point, Caroline and Rachael are very clearly the front-runners for making the Olympic team and have established themselves internationally on a level not yet matched by any other of the US ladies so far.
Originally Posted by Eurofan
04-21-2009, 09:42 PM
I don't think she's much of a contender. She'd need several of the better skaters to screw up for her to have a chance. Unless she somehow learns to skate faster, stroke better, and fix the "e" and "!" problems before next February.
04-22-2009, 05:16 AM
Fiar point but regardless you must have been surprised that she didn't make the world team this year. There's nothing to stop nationals next year being the same with the pressure of making the Olympic team being even greater than that for the world team.
Originally Posted by evangeline
04-22-2009, 02:13 PM
Not to open up the can of worms again but I thought Caroline skated well enough to make the team this year....and I was surprised she didn't make the team. US Nationals next year will definitely be a pressure cooker, but that's why I think the most consistent of the US ladies will make it through--Rachael and Caroline. Also, I doubt that the USFSA will so readily annoint a skater based on 'potential' after Alissa.
Originally Posted by antmanb
At least, I hope not.
04-22-2009, 10:34 PM
My position is what it always was. Caroline got screwed down at least one placement last year, then again this year ......... by a totally different method. What will help her is that the Olympic team will not be decided by Nationals alone. Other events will be considered. If she can keep finishing as top American, like she's done her last FOUR international competitions, the USFSA will have to send her ............. no matter what monkey tricks they play at Nats.
Originally Posted by evangeline
( So Bob, how do you really feel? )
04-22-2009, 10:56 PM
And what if she starts off the GP season like she did this one, with big splats? Then where will she be? Off the team I hope. I seriously don't think she's been held down at all. She may land her jumps, but she's still a far cry from the top skaters in the world.
Originally Posted by PolymerBob
04-22-2009, 11:20 PM
As are all the other American girls at this point... many of whom don't even land all their jumps. She may not be a contender for an Olympic medal, but Caroline's as good as we've got.
Originally Posted by ittybittysk8r
04-22-2009, 11:33 PM
Originally Posted by LeCygne
04-23-2009, 03:37 AM
No, not unless a gigantic meltdown occurs. The point gap between a solid skate (not even clean) by Mao, Yu-Na and Joannie and a perfect skate was Caroline was huge. Even a clean Miki without a triple-triple could beat her. Her jump technique is just a terrible disadvantage. She can't get much +GOE on them due to her awful technique (and rightfully so), which is something the top ladies do when they land their jumps cleanly. She's also not a particularly good basic skater and we all know she's slow.
If she skates like she did at the end of the season, I fully expect Caroline to make the team and quite likely to place top 5. However, I'm more worried about how her body will hold up - and how long - with her jumping. Her technique must be killing her lower back and hips. I'm afraid it's a major injury waiting to happen. :( Her technique is terrifying.
Last edited by oleada; 04-23-2009 at 03:45 AM.
04-23-2009, 08:22 AM
I'm not quite sure what you mean by Caroline's jump technique. Can you describe the 'poor' technique because I thought her jumps have improved quite well from what I saw on youtube.
04-23-2009, 03:34 PM
I don't think you need to be too terrified, at least no more about her jumps than about her spins. Her body is unusually flexible, with no special training at all. If a normal person tries to twist into the Pearl spin, you might worry about her back and hips, too, but for her it's no big deal. Similarly with her jumps. Jump take-offs usually involve some counter-rotation to generate the torque. In her case, b/c her body is so elastic, she has to twist a little more to get the same amount of torque.
Originally Posted by oleada
Now I'm not saying that her technique is perfect. I think she can skate a lot faster, and jump a lot higher. What keeps her scores low is not TES, which poor jump technique might imply, but rather PCS. If she could skate faster, insert more transitions, achieve deeper edges, get better programs, her PCS will go up, and her scoring potential will be formidable even without significant changes to her jumps (except the better speed will probably lead to bigger jumps too).
04-23-2009, 04:51 PM
The Zamboni Rocks!!!
I believe that this point anyone is a contender. Who would have picked Sarah Hughes or Shizuka Arakawa to win the gold medals????
04-23-2009, 05:02 PM
Beliver in Sasha's Perfect Program
yeah, and Sasha placed 4th after entering the salt lake games in a very similar position that Caroline will be in.
Originally Posted by sillylionlove