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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkestMoon View Post
    but maybe Mao can try the Sentimental waltz from Doga or the music from the Avrora film (check out Anna Bessonova's 2008 hoop music).
    I looove that Avrora film!
    Evgenia Kanaeva's 2008 hoop music might be good too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeCygne View Post
    For now, skaters should not try to impress the judges by trying to show them how versatile they can be, but rather how well they can play to their own strengths. After all, how pathetic would it sound if you said you didn't win OGM because you were "trying something new"?
    I don't think versatility is necessarily skaing to different music styles. Personally I don't want to see Brian skaing to Rachmaninoff, nor do I want to see Patrik skating to techno music. Versatility can also manifest in improving music interpretation, choreography, different transitions ...

    Quote Originally Posted by i love to skate View Post
    Oh I hope not! Please no more tangos!

    And no more Tosca! I used to love this opera, and now all I can think of is this aria and figure skating. And I have tickets for my Birthday ... I need to ditox from Tosca

    Quote Originally Posted by Buttercup View Post
    Brian Joubert has said that he'll keep his SP and get a new LP. I'm actually not crazy about his SP, but I think he's doing the right thing because he's confident in his ability to perform Rise, so it will allow him to focus on getting a really good LP.
    Yes, please, new LP from Brian, with 2-3 quads, enough time for spins (I know he can get the levels up if he doesn't keep them for the last minute of the program), and intricate transitions.
    He can certainly win with this SP (not my fav too), and I really want to see him win LP again.

    Quote Originally Posted by skatingbc View Post
    I read somewhere that Patrick Chan intends to keep one of his programs. I hope he keeps his SP. I love his LP and simply adore any Rachmaninoff music, but I would like to see something new.
    I'd like to see Patrick choose lighter music.
    Personally I thought his LP was too packed with edges and transiotion. I was almost dizzy, and it seemed like the wrong discipline. He's an exceptional skater, and I'd like to see him add more technical content.

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    Wouldn't a new routine for the Olys be apropo with a fall-back on a 2009 routine that scored well and the skater was comfortble with?

    The new routine would be tested at the GPs, the individual Nats, the Euros or the 4CCs and decision making for whether to keep it for the Olys or use 2009 program.

    I am aware that we all want new programs every year, but this particular comp is a once every 4 years and soooo important to the skater. Falling back on a previous program if the current one is not working well must be considered. 2014 is a long time away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A for Axel View Post
    I looove that Avrora film!
    Evgenia Kanaeva's 2008 hoop music might be good too.
    Do you happen to know where I can get the score? Please and thank you.

    I don't see anything wrong with keeping a program for the Olympic season from before if it's a hit with the general consensus. As a personal preference, I like new programs but if one choses to carry over a program, please be the short and don't rechoreograph it because it usually doesn't ring as well, ala Shizuka's Turandot. Mature and artistic, but christ, did all the spins have to be the same? Though, Sasha's Dark Eyes was good, despite removing most of it's original choreography.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkestMoon View Post

    I don't see anything wrong with keeping a program for the Olympic season from before if it's a hit with the general consensus. As a personal preference, I like new programs but if one choses to carry over a program, please be the short and don't rechoreograph it because it usually doesn't ring as well, ala Shizuka's Turandot. Mature and artistic, but christ, did all the spins have to be the same? Though, Sasha's Dark Eyes was good, despite removing most of it's original choreography.
    I agree. I loved watchig Shizuka skate to Turandot when she won her national title, and I really liked her Fantasie Impromtu LP in the 2005-06 season. Her LP at the olympics was so flat however, all the choreography was gone, all the spins looked exactly the same, there was no emotion. I am not starting a "she was robbed" argument, i don't have a beef with her winning, but we all knew should do so much more.

    As for "dark eyes" sasha did change the chreography, but unlike most she actually added some and improved the old.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinymavy15 View Post
    I agree. I loved watchig Shizuka skate to Turandot when she won her national title, and I really liked her Fantasie Impromtu LP in the 2005-06 season. Her LP at the olympics was so flat however, all the choreography was gone, all the spins looked exactly the same, there was no emotion. I am not starting a "she was robbed" argument, i don't have a beef with her winning, but we all knew should do so much more.
    I agree, especially since we saw how spectacularly Shizuka skated to Turandot when she won her 2004 World title!

    As much as I like to see new programs, I wouldn't terribly mind if Yu-Na kept her Danse Macabre SP. She's performed it very well for almost every event she's skated it in, and she sure can sell it. Ditto for Mukortova/Trankov's Nobody Home SP, it's simply beautiful and they seem much more comfortable with it (especially when compared to their LP).

    I also hope that Lysacek will avoid the old warhorses he's been using for ages.

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    Yukari Nakano has announced her new programs for the next season.

    http://yukarinakano.jp/en/profile/pgs0910.html

    SP--The Phantom of the Opera from Phantasia
    FP--The Firebird

    Both are choreographed by Marina Zueva

    EX1--Harem choreographed by Kenji Miyamoto
    EX2--Sparkling Diamonds from Moulin Rouge! choreographed by Kumiko Sato

    Perhaps she doesn't want to have same programs with other skaters anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morning Glory View Post
    SP--The Phantom of the Opera from Phantasia
    FP--The Firebird
    Excellent choices Yukari!!

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    I think a smart competitor will go with music that works for him/her. If it's old warhorses so be it. The warhorse music is used over and over again because it DOES work. It's about points!

    Besides, even old music becomes new with each skater bringing his/her own strengths to it and making it their own. Also different cuts make a difference.

    For me, I don't care what they skate to as long as it suits their style, and they can make me believe they believe!

    The EX is the place to experiment. imo

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    Quote Originally Posted by merrybari View Post
    I think a smart competitor will go with music that works for him/her. If it's old warhorses so be it. The warhorse music is used over and over again because it DOES work. It's about points!
    What does using the same old music have to do with getting points? You get points for how you skate, not what you skate to. The warhorse music is not used over and over because it works, it's used over and over because people lack imagination and go with what they know, which is not necessarily what they could skate best to.

    Yagudin's Winter wasn't an old warhorse, and neither were Gladiator and The Man in the Iron Mask. Plushy had his Carmens and Toscas but he also did Tribute to Nijinski and St. Petersburg 300 (and that Michael Jackson medley, but that's best forgotten ). Michelle Kwan managed to achieve great results while making many original music choices - Salome, Lyra Angelica, Dumky Trio and East of Eden, to name a few. If you're good, you'll get the marks without giving us Carmen/Swan Lake/Tosca/Nessun Dorma/Rach 2, version 300.0.

    You can say that it's a great way to get audiences involved, but I didn't get the sense that audiences and judges found it difficult to appreciate Brian Joubert's Metalica LP, or Aliona and Robin's Lost in Space, or Del/Schoe's Pink Floyd FD, even though the music hasn't been used to death in skating.

    There are two separate threads on this board, one with classical music ideas and one for film scores. There are excellent suggestions on both. I know FSUniverse also has a thread on this (it is a popular off-season topic ). Normally I'd say it's best for skaters to stay away from fan forums, but in this case, I wish they'd drop by and get some interesting ideas .

    I would say that the best place to experiment is ice dance. But singles and pairs skaters should still take creative risks and try new things, not just recycle music and ideas we've heard and seen a million times. At this point, what possible new interpretation can anyone offer to these pieces? Unless a skater is extraordinarily talented or the choreographer really original, I don't think it's possible to create something new and interesting.

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    Figure Skating Programs like Ballet performances are limited due to their content of tricks. It takes a clever choreographer like Nichol or Ballanchine to do something with these limited moves. There are other choreographers, of course, and there should be.

    Sometimes, I can't differentiate the feelings of fans' importance of the music. Is it the crescendos in Turandot that inspire you? or is it the skater? Would not that skater's triple salchow look just as great to another piece of music?

    Ovation time comes at the last minute of a program leading to a clean skate. If there are more than one 'clean programs' in the event, then the skater who handled the emotional impact of the music to the audience will be the winner.

    Of course, I am speaking about viewing skating in an arena which is far different than viewing the closeups on computer or TV. Figure Skating competition is theatre in the round, not theatre on a procenium stage, and appears on TV to be on a precenium stage.

    Good choreography plus clean skating gets the audience on their feet. It in itself carries a certain emotional implact. The music? It helps but it is not that important.

    Can't help but think of Evan in LA skating to two warhorse music pieces.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morning Glory View Post
    Yukari Nakano has announced her new programs for the next season.

    http://yukarinakano.jp/en/profile/pgs0910.html

    SP--The Phantom of the Opera from Phantasia
    FP--The Firebird

    Both are choreographed by Marina Zueva
    Very glad that Yukari is continueing her cooperation with M.Zueva! I just adore her "Giselle"!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morning Glory View Post
    Yukari Nakano has announced her new programs for the next season.

    http://yukarinakano.jp/en/profile/pgs0910.html

    SP--The Phantom of the Opera from Phantasia
    FP--The Firebird

    Both are choreographed by Marina Zueva

    EX1--Harem choreographed by Kenji Miyamoto
    EX2--Sparkling Diamonds from Moulin Rouge! choreographed by Kumiko Sato

    Perhaps she doesn't want to have same programs with other skaters anymore.
    Wow! That was fast! To keep working with Zueva is a good idea I think. I really enjoyed her LP last season than I expected. I wish she can make it to the olympic team.

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    As far as the ice dancers go, I'm under the impression that it's somewhat suicidal for dancers to repeat a program. Especially in an Olympic year. So I would expect that most of them will have new programs. Although it would make sense for some of them (the injured ones) to want to perform programs they didn't get to use much at all. Guess we'll see what happens.

    And much as I loved D/W's S&D, they performed the heck out of it last season, it was awesome from Skate Canada all the way to Worlds. I would imagine they are ready for another freedance. On the flip side, V/M hardly got to perform their Pink Floyd much at all. They've said that they didn't get it anywhere near what they think they could do with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morning Glory View Post
    Yukari Nakano has announced her new programs for the next season.

    http://yukarinakano.jp/en/profile/pgs0910.html

    SP--The Phantom of the Opera from Phantasia
    FP--The Firebird

    Both are choreographed by Marina Zueva

    EX1--Harem choreographed by Kenji Miyamoto
    EX2--Sparkling Diamonds from Moulin Rouge! choreographed by Kumiko Sato

    Perhaps she doesn't want to have same programs with other skaters anymore.
    This is really soon!

    I think they are excellent choices for her. I hope she makes the Olympic team!

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