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    What music should Caroline Zhang skate to next season?

    What kind of music do you think Caroline Zhang should skate to in this upcoming Olympic season?

    I'm thinking something energetic and dynamic, at least in parts, but which also has great melodic phrasing, since that seems to be her strength.

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    Since it IS Olympic season, I think any one of Tosca, Romeo and Juliet, Carmen or Turandot will fit the bill...

    Ok, I kid. I fervently hope the top skaters will avoid the old warhorses (I'm looking at you, Evan).

    Anyways, for Caroline, I think something from the Amelie soundtrack by Yann Tiersen will make a charming program. It's not excessively princessy and some of the faster pieces may make her skate faster to keep up with the music. Granted, most of the pieces from the Amelie soundtrack are not terribly bombastic or energetic, but Caroline seemed a bit overwhelmed with the energetic La Bayadere music she's been using this season.

    Something Spanish-esque may also be a good idea, she seemed so much more comfortable with her Spanish Gypsy SP than with her La Bayadere SP this season.
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    Quote Originally Posted by evangeline View Post

    Anyways, for Caroline, I think something from the Amelie soundtrack by Yann Tiersen will make a charming program. It's not excessively princessy and some of the faster pieces may make her skate faster to keep up with the music. Granted, most of the pieces from the Amelie soundtrack are not terribly bombastic or energetic, but Caroline seemed a bit overwhelmed with the energetic La Bayadere music she's been using this season.
    Good recommendation. The most popular piece from Amelie, the Waltz, is slow and fast at parts, while being very melancholic overall. I think Caroline could do wonders with it if she'd be more expressive.

    And I saw what you posted in the other thread, feraina, about Caroline taking music suggestions. I'm glad I was able to work on you to work on her. I'll take some time to think of new ideas, but I'm sure to be back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andalusia View Post
    Good recommendation. The most popular piece from Amelie, the Waltz, is slow and fast at parts, while being very melancholic overall. I think Caroline could do wonders with it if she'd be more expressive.
    I'm not sure what the Waltz is, but if it's what Tanith/Ben used for their 2007 FD, I love that music and agree that Caroline could do a great job with it.

    Also, the Tchaikovsky violin concerto (the only one he ever wrote, sadly) has a great main theme that I will look for a video of later. EDIT: Haha I lied, it starts at 6:22 here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATK_pj2iMqg
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    For Caroline, a sophisticated piece that would really showcase her growth in terms of look, style, fashion and maturity!

    She is one of the skater who I believe can medal

    (Kim, Mao, Rochette, Zhang, Kostner, Ando, Flatt)

    So she really needs to up the ante

    Lyrical skating is beautiful! To see her perform "Meditation of the thais" this year and showcase her growth would be my dream! The music fits her so much!


    Nice musical pieces for her could be

    "Malaguena"
    "Tosca"
    "Saint Saens-music"

    "Turandot" wins but it's too redundant

    "Schindler's List" is ok for an LP
    SP: The Secret Garden


    Other nice musical choices

    "The Mission"



    No more R&J, Carmen, Turandot please heeheheeheheh!


    Swan Lake, Giselle may be ok!




    Anastacia would be nice, Mulan, Legends of the fall

    Dark Eyes
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    I love Amiele and I think she could skate to it so well. I also liked the Mission idea, but I am rather sick of that music.

    No Tosca, no Malaguena, no Dark Eyes. Please. The latter too will make her look like a sasha wanna be.

    I like Saint-Saens' Violin Concerto in B
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iwAzZ4U7wE

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeCygne View Post
    I'm not sure what the Waltz is, but if it's what Tanith/Ben used for their 2007 FD, I love that music and agree that Caroline could do a great job with it.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aip3836VtZ0

    My suggestions:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cd9rg...eature=related (Adagio movement)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vS8Lh...eature=related (Rondo movement)

    Both the above are from Beethoven's 5th Piano Concerto. The 1st clip is rather long, but one need only listen to the first few minutes to hear the relevant parts. Picture Caroline doing her spiral as the piano comes in. The Rondo movement is the fast and dramatic section. Caroline doesn't strike me as the type who does bombastic very well, though, so she might want to find another piece for the parts where she has to skate faster.

    I suppose the 3 choices above are a bit too mature and sophisticated for a 16-year-old girl to skate to, but I think Caroline would leave an unfavourable impression in comparison to skaters like Mao and Yu-Na if she were to skate to 'little girl' music at the Olympics, so I figure if she has to have her Salome-like breakthrough, she might as well do it next season. However, if she wants something slightly more age-appropriate, she could go for the below:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aR1Ln-ctn5E

    'Walking In The Air' by Howard Blake from the film 'The Snowman', as sung by Peter Auty. The song is so popular that I'm sure a faster, instrumental version could be found.

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    [QUOTE=Andalusia;392087]



    I suppose the 3 choices above are a bit too mature and sophisticated for a 16-year-old girl to skate to, but I think Caroline would leave an unfavourable impression in comparison to skaters like Mao and Yu-Na if she were to skate to 'little girl' music at the Olympics, so I figure if she has to have her Salome-like breakthrough, she might as well do it next season. However, if she wants something slightly more age-appropriate, she could go for the below:



    Yup, she needs a Salome like program, i think she can do it next year! GO CAROLINE!

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    Hey, thanks everyone for your input so far!

    I just listened to several waltzes on Amelie's soundtrack. While I love the music (and loved the movie too), I think most of the belong to the tinkly, cute music category that are not going to help her look mature and athletic. Tanith & Ben are powerful skaters and can carry off a tinkly waltz, I'm not sure it'd work for Caroline.

    The Beethoven concerto adagio movement is really slow (last thing she needs for the music to slow her down), and the rondo movement is really overpowering. Ditto the Tchaikovsky violin concerto. She had two such orchestral pieces this year (Sleeping Beauty and La Bayadere) and neither really worked out. She ends up looking rushed and behind all the time.

    The Saint Saens piece is beautiful, but it is rich in rhythmic texture, which she's not particularly strong in, and relatively short on melodic phrasing, which is her strength. Besides, once the orchestral parts set in, I worry about the overpowering issue again.

    Meditation of the Thais she already skated to three seasons ago.

    Since she has had the most success with something a little different from classical, namely Spanish Gypsy, which is kinda of a modernized version of flamenco, I wonder if she wouldn't do well with a tango. Not an over-dramatic ballroom tango, but a nice melodic, lyrical Argentine tango.

    Maybe this classical tango (two versions, so you can see the different possibilities of musical interpretation):
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Kpq5MB-kF0
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0syEzTstp20

    The faster rhythmic accompaniments are great for spins and footwork sequence, and otherwise she can skate to the melody carried by the violin.

    I also like Palomita Blanca (Garufa version), which is nice lyrical rendition of a fast tango-waltz, not unlike the Spanish Gypsy, but with tango flavor instead of flamenco. Unfortunately I can't find it online.

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    Howzabout the Rap version of "Redneck Woman" ?

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    What about Lark Ascending? I just went to a Vaughen Wiliams concert tonight, including Lark Ascending. It's such beautiful music. I know Yu-na did it a couple of years ago (and it remains my favorite of Yu-na's programs), but it will be three seasons by next year. I think Caroline would bring a very different look to Lark Ascending than Yu-na, and the music really suits her. Skaters have common music choices all the time, like Giselle last year, so three years apart shouldn't be a big deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by feraina View Post
    What about Lark Ascending? I just went to a Vaughen Wiliams concert tonight, including Lark Ascending. It's such beautiful music. I know Yu-na did it a couple of years ago (and it remains my favorite of Yu-na's programs), but it will be three seasons by next year. I think Caroline would bring a very different look to Lark Ascending than Yu-na, and the music really suits her. Skaters have common music choices all the time, like Giselle last year, so three years apart shouldn't be a big deal.
    I went to hear The Lark Ascending in concert, too, and I was just about enraptured when the lead violinist started playing. It's really the most beautiful piece of music, with different shades and tones to it. The cool thing about this piece is that it's so quintessentially English (as was the composer), but certain sections sound almost like East Asian music. I'd love for Caroline to skate to it, but I feel it's too closely linked to Yu-Na (and indeed she sampled practically all of the major movements), and Caroline would suffer in comparison. Yu-Na really did such a sublime job with it (I wish she had skated it completely clean at least once) - I still feel it's her best choreographed LP ever.

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    I must add this one
    Ex. "I dreamed a dream"
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fc-Ou47ixUU

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andalusia View Post
    I'd love for Caroline to skate to it, but I feel it's too closely linked to Yu-Na (and indeed she sampled practically all of the major movements), and Caroline would suffer in comparison. Yu-Na really did such a sublime job with it (I wish she had skated it completely clean at least once) - I still feel it's her best choreographed LP ever.
    I agree. It is a beautiful piece of music that Caroline could do a great job with, but at the moment The Lark Ascending still feels like it belongs to Yu-Na. It would be different if it was a more widely used piece, but as far as I know, Yu-Na's the only one who's done it and 3 years doesn't seem like that much time especially with the fantastic job Yu-Na did with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeCygne View Post
    I agree. It is a beautiful piece of music that Caroline could do a great job with, but at the moment The Lark Ascending still feels like it belongs to Yu-Na. It would be different if it was a more widely used piece, but as far as I know, Yu-Na's the only one who's done it and 3 years doesn't seem like that much time especially with the fantastic job Yu-Na did with it.
    Angela N did it, but that's it. But I have to agree that at this point Caroline may not want the comparisions made. However "if" Yu-na retires than she could use it.

    If Zhang could get more speed, something like Canon in D for a short might be good for her. Although I'm hoping that Kostner will go back to that.

    I think Zhang just needs to find music that she connects to. But hopefully something with some highs and lows.

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