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    2009-10 ISU Grand Prix selection guidelines

    Here's the link to the Technical Announcement: http://isu.sportcentric.net/db//files/serve.php?id=1403

    ISU World Standings for the 4 disciplines (updated as of 4/24/09): http://www.isu.org/vsite/vnavsite/pa...v-list,00.html

    ISU Season Best Total Scores 2008-2009:
    Men: http://www.isufs.org/isujsstat/sb2008-09/sbtsmto.htm
    Ladies: http://www.isufs.org/isujsstat/sb2008-09/sbtslto.htm
    Pairs: http://www.isufs.org/isujsstat/sb2008-09/sbtspto.htm
    Ice Dance: http://www.isufs.org/isujsstat/sb2008-09/sbtsdto.htm

    Guaranteed 2 GP assignments: top 6 finishers at 2009 Worlds (seeded) along with the 7th-12th place finishers.

    From the Technical Announcement:
    c) Medallists from the ISU World Junior Figure Skating Championships 2009 and the medallists from the ISU Junior Grand Prix of Figure Skating Final 2008/09 will be included in the selection process. Skaters/couples who have stated their intention to skate as Senior in 2009/10 will be guaranteed one (1) event.
    Note: (GP) indicates past GP experience.

    JGP Final medalists:
    Florent Amodio, Armin Mahbanoozadeh, Richard Dornbush;
    Becky Bereswill, Yukiko Fujisawa, Alexe Gilles;
    Iliushechkina/Maisuradze (GP), Zhang/Wang (GP), Krasilnikova/Bezmaternikh (GP);
    Chock/Zuerlein, Hubbell/Hubbell, Riazanova/Guerreiro (split).

    Jr. World medalists:
    Adam Rippon (GP), Michal Brezina, Artem Grigoriev;
    Alena Leonova (GP), Caroline Zhang (GP), Ashley Wagner (GP);
    Iliushechkina/Maisuradze (GP), Martiusheva/Rogonov, Castelli/Shnapir;
    Chock/Zuerlein, Shibutani/Shibutani, Riazanova/Guerreiro (split).

    JGP Final or Jr. World medalists that have aged out of JGP and will debut on the Sr. GP this fall: Amodio, Brezina, and the pair teams of Martiusheva/Rogonov and Castelli/Shnapir.
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    Thanks Sylvia. I'll mull over the tech announcements on the weekend. I did notice that no exhibitions by skaters who did not participate in the GPs. That'll keep Lambiel away.

    Checking out the ISU's list of Best of Season, I notice Joubert got his best at WTT. That's just a lucky day for those skaters, and not their average thoughout the season. This list leaves me cold.

    Quite a number of American Ladies do not qualify for guaranteed 2 GPs. Is that correct according to the ISU stipulation? No second GP for Czisny or Wagner, or Nagasu?

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    The selection guideline seems different from previous years. i thought that the seeded skaters were separated. The skater/team that was 1-3 at Worlds were separated from the skater/team that were 4-6. Each were guaranteed 2 spots, but the medalist would not have to compete against each other and the skaters 4-6 wouldn't have to compete against each other at a GP event.

    Here it seems that all of the seeded skaters/teams are placed into the same random draw for event assignments. Was it an intentional change?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cleopatra20042004 View Post
    The selection guideline seems different from previous years. i thought that the seeded skaters were separated. The skater/team that was 1-3 at Worlds were separated from the skater/team that were 4-6. Each were guaranteed 2 spots, but the medalist would not have to compete against each other and the skaters 4-6 wouldn't have to compete against each other at a GP event.

    Here it seems that all of the seeded skaters/teams are placed into the same random draw for event assignments. Was it an intentional change?
    Wow, that does seem to be a change. (Actually, a change back -- I think the 1-3 and 4-6 division was used only one year, or two?)

    The other thing I noticed was this.

    I always thought that the draw for seeded skaters was done by country. In other words, if the French federation drew the long straw, then they got to choose first among the seeded skaters. The wording here seems to say that the skaters are just assigned by a random draw of the seeded skaters' names.

    I also do not see any language that says that a country gets first dibs of their own seeded skater for their event. So if Rachael Flatt, by the luck of the draw, gets sent to Cup of China and Eric Bompard, then Skate America does not have the option of choosing her even if they want to. Is that right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    Wow, that does seem to be a change. (Actually, a change back -- I think the 1-3 and 4-6 division was used only one year, or two?)

    The other thing I noticed was this.
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    I also do not see any language that says that a country gets first dibs of their own seeded skater for their event. So if Rachael Flatt, by the luck of the draw, gets sent to Cup of China and Eric Bompard, then Skate America does not have the option of choosing her even if they want to. Is that right?
    That's odd. I only really started to follow figure skating two GP's ago, and even then only paid attention to rankings last year, so I wouldn't know about combining skaters placing first through sixth at worlds. Didn't Skate Canada originally have Marie-France Dubreuil & Patrice Lauzon AND Albena Denkova/Maxim Staviski in the line-up for Skate Canada International 2007? Both couples eventually withdrew, with the former taking a year off (and eventually retiring) and the latter caught up in the drunk driving mess... but if they were both listed for the same event, then the split 1-3 and 4-6 was not in effect that year.

    I also find the lack of choice odd. It would be much nicer to allow host federations to first pick their skaters (as long as they do not go against the seeded skaters-related rules) and then draw for the order of selection of the rest of the skaters...

    Ah well, such is life. Doesn't mean fans enjoy it, though.

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    ETA: from here on Goldenskate, it appears Denkova/Staviski were originally in the line-up. Now off to figure out when Dubreuil-Lauzon announced their intention to take the season off... although now I'm thinking that must have happened before the entries were given in, or Skate Canada would have had 3 seeded couples -- the Bulgarians were 1 at Worlds, the Canadians second, and Virtue-Moir 6th in their debut. So kindly disregard most of this post... *blushing smiley I can't find*
    Last edited by Kypma; 04-28-2009 at 08:18 PM. Reason: adding the ETA part

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    Rostelecom Cup Oct. 22 – 25, 2009 Moscow, Russia
    Has it always been called that, or have they found a new sponsor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cleopatra20042004 View Post
    The selection guideline seems different from previous years. i thought that the seeded skaters were separated. The skater/team that was 1-3 at Worlds were separated from the skater/team that were 4-6. Each were guaranteed 2 spots, but the medalist would not have to compete against each other and the skaters 4-6 wouldn't have to compete against each other at a GP event.

    Here it seems that all of the seeded skaters/teams are placed into the same random draw for event assignments. Was it an intentional change?
    The selection process works like this:

    First, the hosts select their host picks (and this can include seeded skaters).

    Then the hosts draw for pick order for the medalists at Worlds 2009 (or the top 3 seeds). The medalists have stated their preferences as to where they'd like to skate, and the hosts usually defer to those choices.

    The hosts next draw for pick order for the 4-6 seeds and make their selections.

    So the process is still the same as it was in the past: the World medalists will never face one another in the GP events.

    Once all the seeds are picked, then the hosts draw again for pick order for the non-seeded skaters who ranked 7-12 at Worlds. Each host must pick two skaters/teams from this group.

    The hosts draw for pick order for each of the other 'guarateed' groups (ISU Ranking top 24, SB list top 24, JW/JGP medalists).

    Finally, the hosts fill their slots from the top 75 in the SB list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckm View Post
    The selection process works like this:

    First, the hosts select their host picks (and this can include seeded skaters).

    Then the hosts draw for pick order for the medalists at Worlds 2009 (or the top 3 seeds). The medalists have stated their preferences as to where they'd like to skate, and the hosts usually defer to those choices.

    The hosts next draw for pick order for the 4-6 seeds and make their selections.

    So the process is still the same as it was in the past: the World medalists will never face one another in the GP events.

    Once all the seeds are picked, then the hosts draw again for pick order for the non-seeded skaters who ranked 7-12 at Worlds. Each host must pick two skaters/teams from this group.

    The hosts draw for pick order for each of the other 'guarateed' groups (ISU Ranking top 24, SB list top 24, JW/JGP medalists).

    Finally, the hosts fill their slots from the top 75 in the SB list.
    Thank you, thank you, for clearing this up. Why don't they just say that? Would make life so much simpler.

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    (what Merrybari said )

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    For all you think Sasha will only get one,
    Check out the Minneapolis-St.Paul paper where David Raith a USFSA executive states Sasha will be in SA < because of first one chosen and, personally he thinks Cup of Russia, (not correct name) Trophy De Bompard and Cup of China will also invite and /or at least looking into her.
    so it will be hard for other us skaters to get two or one, depending on draw.
    yes, i personnally don't like sasha because or her actions and the fact the usfsa and older skaters handed everything when she was younger. She and the usfsa feels she is entitles to this. sorry-but that is what i think and feel.

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    ^ Here's the same report from the San Francisco papers.

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...SPFK17HEN8.DTL

    Cohen fans, mark your calendars. It's a "logical assumption" the Olympic silver medalist will be at Skate America in November, U.S. Figure Skating executive director David Raith said.

    Cohen announced this week she's returning to competitive skating after a three-year layoff in hopes of making the Vancouver Games. Grand Prix assignments will be made May 30.

    "She's not automatic. But I think when her name shows up on the list, she'll be one of the first chosen," Raith said. Skate America, which is Nov. 13-15 in Lake Placid, N.Y., has the first rights to Cohen.
    That sounds pretty official to me. (Particle man gets the last laugh undeed! )

    David Raith is the executive director of USFS. He would not be falling all over himself about Sasha without first consulting with the other officers of the organization. Skate America sounds like a done deal.

    As for the part about about all the other federations being eager to get in line to sign her up once USFS submits her name, this may be Raith's attempt to influence the ISU about the interpretation of the "through no fault of her own" rule. Hey, is it Sasha's fault that SOI couldn't do without her?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    There were no big announcements, newsconferences and quotes in the papers that Alissa Czisny has been offered a spot in Skate America, and she has accepted! Or Rachael Flatt has been offered a place in Skate America, and she has accepted!
    Everyone else except Sasha has to wait for the meeting and see how it turns out for them. Or, if they do know something in advance, that news was not released to great fanfare two weeks before the formal draw.

    It seems with some degree of fairness that Sasha is the one coming out of retirement. Alissa, Rachael or any other active US Lady will have to wait. If that does not seem fair - I don't see that it is so awful either. And as far as I know, SA has also offered an invitaion to Michelle.

    Sasha is the reigning Olympic Silver medalist. If Alissa or Rachael ever achieve such a lofty position then they too may be treated with a higher degree of respect.

    Or is that "it" factor = $$$. Anyway you cut it I haven't felt this much interest in US Skating since,,,,,,,,,Sasha left.

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