Am I the only one who thinks they should use the same judges for all the 6 events, and just add up each skater's / team's 2 scores to see who makes the final? That would eliminate all these chess games.
( Yes, I suppose I am. )
Well, I can see two problems. First, that would place a lot of power in the hands of the same 9 judges for the whole season.Am I the only one who thinks they should use the same judges for all the 6 events, and just add up each skater's / team's 2 scores to see who makes the final? That would eliminate all these chess games.
The other is that it would not be chess games that would be eliminated, it would be the competitions. Why bother to have Skate Canada, the Eric Bompard Trophy, etc. Just get all the skaters together and let them skate four times and add up the points. There's your Grand Prix.
No need for a final, either. Give the trophy to the one with the most points.
Last edited by Mathman; 05-02-2009 at 09:56 PM.
The main "accomplishment" of Ottavio Cinquanta, during his 15 year reign as ISU president, is that he has taken over all figure skating events everywhere in the world and squeezed them into the ISU mold. He took over professional skating competitions, re-labeled them ISU pro-ams, and now there aren’t any. He took a bunch of well-established events organized by independent national federations – Skate America, Skate Canada, Trophee Lalique, the Sparkasse Cup – and renamed them the Grand Prix. Each of these events had a strong tradition of its own before the world had ever heard of Mr. Cinquanta.
There used to be lots of more-or-less independent skating events, and skaters took pride in winning competitions like the Nebelhorn Trophy as a prize in its own right, never mind how many points on the ISU ratings list you might get for winning it.
All of this has gone away. Now it’s Cinquanta’s way or the highway. Cinquanta decrees that the Grand Prix final is a big whoop, therefore a big whoop it is. If you don’t agree that it is a big whoop, then Cinquanta will find a way to punish you.
By the way, the first Skate America was at Lake Placid in 1979 (Scott Hamilton won for the men), so here we are going back for a thirty-year reunion.
Before that, there was the North American Championship. I think the judges were supplied by the USFSA and the CFSA. This competition started in 1923 (and before that there was yet another organization, the Ice Skating Union of America that put on joint U.S.-Canadian ventures. I don't know what the relationship was between this organization and the European based ISU.)
Anyway, in 1971 the bickering between the U.S. and Canada over biased judging reached the point where Canada refused to send it's skaters to the U.S. to compete (sort of like the earlier dispute between Norway and Austria), and that was the end of the North American Championship. Canada split off and started the Skate Canada competition in 1973 as an international event where some skaters from Europe were also invited.
Last edited by Mathman; 05-03-2009 at 09:11 AM.
We can hypothetical until May 28, when I believe the assignments will be given out (see post by Sylvia).
The only thing we know for certain right now is that SA will have a World podium skater and a skater from the 4-6 finish.. We also know that the USFS has a claim to nominate 3 Ladies from its stables, one of which is part of the 4-6 group.
I haven't a clue how the USFS will work this for SA. The USFS does not have to select Rachael and let her assignments be made by the Draw. However, I think they would want Rachael at SA. The question really is whom do they want to pit against Rachael? The have a choice of two among: Caroline, Ashley, Mirai, Kimmie, If any of these 'other' skaters have only 1 assignment, then maybe the USFS can list them as part of SA, so that they will have 2 assignments. Is that possible.
If not possible, we have to wait till May 28 if that is correct.
Once that has happened, we must watch the GP results Some skater may aleady have reached the Finals by the time SA and SC come up with two 1st places. and those who have 1st place and 1 2nd place are very likely to be in there. If the USA has any skater with half of the requirements, SA and SC are very important.
Unfortunately, only 6 skaters make the Finals. In Juniors I believe 8 make the Finals.
Let's keep in the back of our minds all these possible U.S. ladies assignments may be skewed if Sasha, or Michelle decide to return to competitive skating using the "Kwan Rule" (as it is being dubbed) in the 2009-2010 ISU Grand Prix announcement.
I feel Sasha's return is very likely - Kwan's not so much. We will have a clearer picture on this on May 28 when the slots are announced.2.2. Invited Skaters/Couples
e) Skaters/couples, seeded in any previous year (place 1 to 6 in the respective World Championships), and who due to injury or no fault of their own, were forced to sit out competitive season(s) could be considered for selection for up to 2 assignments, if they return to competitive skating.
^ That's for skaters who were forced to sit out due to injury or no fault of their own, none of which applies to Sasha.. But given her history, I'm sure she would be considered for at least one event anyway.
I actually think the Grand Prix is a great idea, and I'm curious why people complain about giving skaters the opportunity to earn more money and for all of us to see more skating. The best thing about the Grand Prix too is that it gives newer skaters a chance to establish themselves on the scene so to speak like Mao and Yu-na did.
It seems to me that basically giving skaters the opportunity to make the money as amateurs is what's keeping them from going pro, and I'm not sorry about that. I wish people like Kristi had stayed in longer.
Kristi Yamaguchi got out of eligible skating as soon as she could because she didn't like the cutthroat attitudes of her peers at the National level. She once said in an article that when she was an amateur, she didn't dare leave her skates or her costumes unguarded for even a moment, that if she did she would find her laces slashed or her costumes ripped.
Of course, if you think back to who one of her main competitors was, you wouldn't be surprised.....