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    Lightbulb Changing The Image Of Men's Figure Skating

    [LEFT]Here is one the many clips going around showing Elvis Stojko's take on the image of Men's figure skating today.

    What's your take?[/LEFT]

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    So that is the reason the ratings are down, real men have stopped watching it.

    I saw this on American television yesterday, and thought "now what?" I remember when Michael Weiss use to compete and the sport analyst use to make a big deal about him having a wife and a kid. They also use to point out that he was a huge football fan. They did the same thing with Elvis with his Martial Arts background and dirt biking. It was so obvious that they were trying to make their toughness and machoness standout. A straight guy in this sport has a very difficult time maintaining their masculine image intact. The minute the public knows that they skate, the questions, the teasing, the bullying arise. When that stupid Blades of Glory came out I wanted to puke. I knew they would make a mockery of my favorite sport.

    I had hoped that by this time we as a society have accepted the fact that there are many layers to being a man, not just one of beer drinking, fist fighting, gun toting, and rear-slapping team sports. A man is capable of using his strength, his dance-ability, his musicality, his creativity, basically his genious to create a master piece that will both move us and leave us wanting more without us having to ever question whether it is gay in nature or not.

    Why is it, we underestimate man? Is today's man really bothered by figure skating?

    Okay, I am going to stop now, I think I lost track of what I was going to say.

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    I find this highly ironic, as what drew me to men's figure skating in the first place was the beautiful skating of skaters like Stephane Lambiel and Jeffrey Buttle, not the tough-guy posturing of other skaters considered more 'macho.'

    I doubt that the people who exclusively like the hard-hitting tough-guy action of hockey and other more physical sports would ever like figure skating, a strictly non-contact sport. As a hockey fan myself, I watch figure skating and hockey for two completely different reasons.

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    SC sends really confusing signals!

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    I have to agree on costumes. What is the point of sequines and bangels?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MasterB View Post
    When that stupid Blades of Glory came out I wanted to puke. I knew they would make a mockery of my favorite sport.
    There is one thing everyone forgets about Blades of Glory ..................

    .................. The two guys were STRAIGHT !! .......

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    I have notice this past season or two that the Canadian men, esp Jeff Buttle and Vaughn Chiper have been wearing very simple costumes. Patrick, while more decorative has been pretty classic. I tend to like this style more....authough I hated Vaughn Chiper's blue tourist shirt!

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    gee, could they find better male skaters to talk about so called "Macho" image? an uber-effeminate Elvis Stojko and a high-pitched Jeremy Ten?

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    Bring back the quads!!!!

    Seriously, the whole "skating is an effeminate sport" thing is just something people who don't know much about skating think. However, I do think that the new system does priviledge graceful skating rather than powerful skating. Most male skaters aren't effeninate, being artistic doesn't mean being girly, just take guys like Stéphane Lambiel or Alexei Yagudin.

    I think the idea of wanting to bring hockey fans to watch figure skating is ridiculous. If people want to watch a hockey match then let them watch hockey, not figure skating. Skating is not just a sport, but also an art. I think it's really funny though, how it should be Skate Canada who is pushing for more "macho" skating as Canadian skaters tend to be elaborate and artistic.

    I don't think the dabte should be about whether one prefers more graceful skaters or more macho skaters, I think it shoud be about each person having his own style, but doing it well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NatachaHatawa View Post

    I don't think the debate should be about whether one prefers more graceful skaters or more macho skaters, I think it should be about each person having his own style, but doing it well.
    I'm not pushing for the quads (there are so many other elements that a skater can put in a program), but I agree with this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NatachaHatawa View Post
    I think the idea of wanting to bring hockey fans to watch figure skating is ridiculous. If people want to watch a hockey match then let them watch hockey, not figure skating. Skating is not just a sport, but also an art. I think it's really funny though, how it should be Skate Canada who is pushing for more "macho" skating as Canadian skaters tend to be elaborate and artistic.
    It's all about TV ratings now. Most Canadians are hockey fans, so they probably think making figure skating more manly etc. means good TV ratings like what hockey matches enjoy.

    I was quite miffed with Johnny, Plushenko and Takahashi being picked out for 'frilliness'. None of the elite male skaters strike me as effeminate.:sheesh:

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    Quote Originally Posted by NatachaHatawa View Post
    I don't think the debate should be about whether one prefers more graceful skaters or more macho skaters, I think it shoud be about each person having his own style, but doing it well.
    Exactly. I don't think we should use "artistry" as shorthand for one style of skating. There are different kinds of artistry and as a fan I want to see as many styles as possible - balletic, athletic, powerful, lyrical, crazy, and everything in between. Quads are a plus for me, the only caveat is that I'd rather not see skaters overtraining them if it's detrimental to their health or if it becomes too much of a focus, at the expense of everything else.

    As I understand it, Skate Canada officials know they already have the audience that likes figure skating as an art, but they want to find ways to expand the market. This is the right thing to do. Are they going about it the right way? That will depend on how exactly they pitch it. I don't want the art to be taken out of the equation - but the athleticism needs to be emphasized, and I could do with fewer feathers and strategically cut tops with nude illusion fabric.

    I like what Jeremy Abbott said prior to Worlds: that he wanted to be an artist and an athlete (or possibly the order was reversed ). If we want figure skating to be taken seriously as a sport - which IMO is vital for its long-term success - we can't sell it to people as art alone.

    Tinymavy, I'm not sure Buttle's costumes can be described as simple - they're not elborately sequined and feathered, but this isn't exactly in line with, say, Scott and Tessa's FD outfits, or Kozuka's Barney look.

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    Thank you for the link, IDLERACER.

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    In my opinion, figure skating is not just a sport, it's also an art on ice. The Macho-makeover is just a flimsy excuse for some of the ex-Canadian Skaters for not getting into the podium, wherein some other skaters, who they think are not macho enough, had stolen their places on the podium. Shame on them and that will tarnish the memories their fans have of them. It's very unfair to say that you need more strength and macho to be a figure skater.

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    Natacha, Elvis Stojko seems to agree with you:
    http://www.torontosun.com/news/toron...30621-sun.html
    I have to admit that to me, he does have a point about power and strength making men's skating more attractive.
    I like it when athletes push themselves. Whether it's to do quad, difficult combination jumps, or any other demanding element.

    The comments on figure skating being combination between sport and art were nicely put, and I agree.

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