05-06-2009, 03:24 PM
A little off topic - did anyone else get the email from Skate Canada with the Harley Davidson pictures? I know many people were laughing when they heard about this and thought it was a ridiculous idea but the pictures are amazing! I looked through them and must say they turned out great. Canada has the best looking skaters - WOW! The skaters featured are Cynthia, Joannie, Myriame, Jess and Bryce, and Kaitlyn and Andrew.
05-06-2009, 03:31 PM
L'art pour l'art
Let's put a IMO onto that. (I e.g. would vote for Russia or Japan on that one.)
Originally Posted by i love to skate
But I still would like to see those pictures .
05-06-2009, 03:34 PM
Maybe you'll change your mind after you see the pictures I think they will be released over the next year.
Originally Posted by Medusa
05-06-2009, 04:33 PM
Bona Fide Member
I think this is what Ballerynna meant when she mentioned the chicken and the egg.
Originally Posted by viv
In the U.S., figure skating is not popular because it is hardly ever shown on TV. And it is hardly ever shown on TV because it is not popular.
OK, Captain Grammar here.
Originally Posted by gkelly
When ISU communications butcher the Queen's English I usually cut them some slack because the authors are not native speakers. But...can we please not try to make a verb "to message" out of the noun "message?" Or at least can we stop short of then making a new noun "messenging" out of the present participle of the new verb "to message?"
05-06-2009, 04:42 PM
Except the flaws in 6.0 were from the lack of judging oversight, sometimes with judges blatantly ignoring mandatory deductions left and right. Guess what, that still happens! We still have no oversight, and now we have a system which didn't fix any of those flaws, and also introduced its own worse flaws. CoP tries to turn the artistic side of the sport into a set of neatly divided categories and it simply fails. It fails. It's a systemic flaw, it's a completely wrong premise and that can't be tweaked or improved.
Originally Posted by evangeline
If the corrupt ISU had done what it should have done, which was institute serious judging oversight and rule enforcement, actually punish judges and federations who cheat, and continue to tweak 6.0 (remember it had required elements? It wasn't just pulling numbers out of a hat) then that would have been best for the sport. Figure skating, at the very least the artistic side of figure skating, must be judged by fair judges using a subjective scoring system, not anonymous judges using a checklist. There is no equation for artistry.
You think a subjective scoring system is never returning in any fashion, and I'm convinced you're wrong. I'm just ahead of the curve, as always. All it will take is a continued slide down, down, down on the path we are on, declining viewership, declining attendance, perhaps a change in leadership (BYE SPEEDY!!) and perhaps new companies buying rights to things and "encouraging" another major change in the system. It could be 10 years off for all I know, but it will happen. Until then, deal with the whining, because I'm not laying down and accepting a flawed system which is killing the only sport I like.
05-06-2009, 04:50 PM
Bona Fide Member
This is the strongest of all possible arguments against the IJS. It is just wrong.
Originally Posted by Particle Man
05-06-2009, 06:02 PM
Yeah! Lets get this party started.
I think it is very possible to judge artistry objectively base on most catagories given(not all). And most of the flaws that people give about COP is not flaws with the system but flaws based of personal opinions and flaws do to human error forced or unforced. It depends on what you really want. Do you want the artistic score to define the most entertaing program, the most unique program, or the most artistic. Artistry can be define as lines,extensions, balance, flow ,contrasting or matching the music, sychronization and symmatry. Rather not it entertain or move you(which can be affect by bias or cultrual differnce) is not the most important aspect. I believe COP goal was to be a system that give all skaters an equal platform to score or win based on their own performance alone. In that believe it is very successful.All the other problems are really dealing with ISU, feds, judges.
05-06-2009, 06:10 PM
05-06-2009, 07:21 PM
So what? A good performer is a good performer is a good performer. He doesn't need sequins.
Originally Posted by DragonPhoenix
05-06-2009, 07:41 PM
Yes, but we are talking about Sport and not Professional Shows. There is a difference. Have your read those directives for PC scores? In your heart, do you really need that? Dealing with those bullets if indeed, they were covered in the scoring versus the old fashioned whole package, I find misleading. To watch a competition without favoritism, one knows who skated the finest That Night! and costumes have nothing to do with it. It's Sport and not Show skating.
Originally Posted by enlight78
I don't know why fans want to kill the sport and savor the pagaent?
05-06-2009, 07:46 PM
Bona Fide Member
I agree with Joe.
The #1 ISU regulation on costumes is that the costune must be "appropriate for an athletic competition."
Most skating costumes aren't. If the ISU followed its own rules, everyone would get a costume deduction.
05-06-2009, 08:02 PM
Thanks MM, so there is a vague word on costume. Nice to know. We can say his costume was not appropriate.
Originally Posted by Mathman
I just thought, for those who like the Pageant way of judging, maybe the ISU could add 5 questions to be answered by the top 5 finishers after the results of the SP and LP.
05-06-2009, 08:11 PM
Costumes enhance the performer and the performance. Some maybe tacky, some maybe simple, some maybe overdone, and some are really beautiful and brings out the best of a performer and the performance. So, I think it's up to the skater and the choreographer/coach to choose whatever they want, and that's what makes figure skating interesting. The audience may like or not like their costumes/attires but that's the way it is and that's why each skater is unique.
05-06-2009, 08:29 PM
On the Ice
Originally Posted by Joesitz
So what ? Because I don't want to see everyone wearing the same outfits, like a uniform, everyone the same. We can see that everyday.
How booorrrrrinngggg is that.
I'm not much of a fan of boring.
Of course a good performer is a good performer. And a great costume makes it even better.
Originally Posted by Joesitz
By no means am I saying that all costumes that have been worn are great.
However, a great costume adds alot to a great performance.
The more unique, the more beautiful, the more original, the better.
We'll just have to agree to disagree.
05-06-2009, 08:43 PM
Figure skating is not just a sport but is also an art. With sports, you have uniforms to distinguish each competitive groups. With figure skating as an art and a sport, there are different disciplines and the skaters have the right to choose whatever costumes/attires they would desire to wear for their programs. Ice Shows have their whole program with their costumes designed/aimed towards the theme of their show. So, the word "APPROPRIATE" is on the judgment/decision of the figure skater/coach/choreographer and with Ice Shows, the director/choreographer and maybe a costume designer.