Say what you want about Sasha, as I am not a fan either, BUT at least Sasha doesn't underrotate.
They were better in 2002; stronger and more air; flutz was smaller, her mini-muleick was nonexistent. She had decent technique on flat. On an edge, well, things went downhill IMHO. If she's working with Rafael during the last six months as she said, I'd imagine she might have improved. Sasha was/is talented, there's no joke in that.I think the real statement is that Sasha's jumps WERE better in 2006. I think we will need to wait and see what they're like in 2009 before we comment.
But if you could just show me a skater on a back inside edge, leaning as if he were on a back outside edge, and then jumping I would soften up a bit on this.
The difference between a closer slight inside edge and a severe inside edge is the difference between a good Flip and a poor Flip.
Sasha did flutz and does she anymore? I haven't seen her skate in quite a while. Skaters, imo, who want to be immediate champions do not learn proper technique when they are young. Some have worked on the severe error and have overcome it. We'll see.
Thanks so much for taking my quote out of context.
Last edited by DarkestMoon; 05-10-2009 at 09:48 AM.
You asked what the difference was and i told you. The skaters don't skate to Joe's Rules they skate to the COP which means a slight change of edge will get net them more points than a severe change of edge. I realise that this doesn't mean anything in your black and white world but that's the way it is in the grey!
Thanks for joining us, poloska. Welcome to the forum. Post often, post long!
Last edited by Mathman; 05-11-2009 at 10:14 AM.
I don't know where you are interpreting fear in any of my posts. I don't feel any fear at all, i simply disagree with your opinion that a wrong edge take off lutz is a good or correctly executed flip. You never answer any of my salient questions that pick flaws in your theory either so it's clear you won't enter into a debate that questions your opinions.
You asked a question and didn't like the answer. You state your opinion as fact when it isn't.
My opinion = It is a wrong edge take off lutz.
The scoring system currently in place = It is a wrong edge take off lutz.
Your opinion = it is a flip.
Who is right? Does it even matter? This is a sport, the sport has rules. I agree with the rules as far as wrong edge take offs go (i'm sure you won't disappoint by accusing me of being an ISU sympthiser...though now i've mentioned it you porbably won't bother with your usual routine.)
Last edited by antmanb; 05-11-2009 at 09:22 AM.
Personally I think if the jump is a flutz it should be called a flip and if that skater attempts 2 flips and 2 "flutzes" it should go down as 4 flips, only 2 being counted. That may get coaches teaching kids properly!
But as it is, I think -GOE's and "e" calls are the right way to do it since the intent IS to do a lutz(flip), but done improperly, and should be treated as being done incorrectly, not as if done well as a flip(lutz).
In regards to Sasha-I wonder how much reworking any jumps/jump combos Sasha can successfully manage under RA given the time frame. Even if he is THE best jump coach ever, it seems to be expecting a lot that suddenly, Sasha is going to have a 3lutz, 3/3's (especially if she's going for a 3lutz/3toe), let alone any consistency in landing 6-7 triples. It would be different if she was, say, Irina, who had stronger jump technique and success with 3/3's in the past. I think Sasha's axle, loop and salchow have always been pretty solid, but feel she had a flutz, exhibited wobbly edges on flips, and the toes, for whatever reason, gave her trouble. I know she has been dealing with tendonitis as of late, but I would think if she really has been (re)working on technique, she would attempt other triples during the tour, just to get some consistency on them.