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    Quote Originally Posted by Grgranny View Post
    Of course, I believe it would be wonderful if all believed in Christ. If they followed the Bible and those beliefs, there would be no hatred and all would get along peacefully. Of course, that's not the way it is and it's too, too bad. I believe when I get to heaven, it will be that way. Guess I better go pray to make sure I get there.
    Just wanted to comment that many of the world's religions are based on the same principles to treat each other with respect. Many of the main religions have sprung from the same roots; they just vary on what name they use for God, if they believe that the savior has been shown to them, etc.

    Anyway, my point is that you don't have to believe in Christ to have 'christian-like' values. I think it's something that everyone tends to forget when they believe that their 'faith' is better than others.

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    The religious right conservatives are waiting to see if Obama chooses a new supreme court justice who will not be against same sex marriage. The issue is replacing Abortion as the number one issue of the conservatives. Environment is not so pressing.

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    There have been anti-abortion marches all week. Alan Keyes got arrested twice, along with a Priest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heyang View Post
    Just wanted to comment that many of the world's religions are based on the same principles to treat each other with respect.
    Western and Eastern religions vary drastically on many issues... and are very different from each other on the basics as well...

    just saying

    *gonna stay outta this debate*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonichelle View Post
    Western and Eastern religions vary drastically on many issues... and are very different from each other on the basics as well...
    Does that include non-believers too?

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    I didn't mean that only Christians would be that way. I know a lot of people that are not Christians and are still very nice, thoughtful and caring. What I meant was that if they followed the Christians values that is what it would be like. I also know that a lot of people that are Christian can also be hateful, etc. I just mean whoever follows the principal of Christians would be good. Hope I explained that right.

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    Joe, maybe marriage is the wrong term to use. This is why I say this. You have 2 people, male-male, female-female who have lived together for many years, have been good citizens, supported their community, church and live decent lives. One dies....what happens to the one left who built their life with a partner, both emotionally and monitarily?? I think the one left deserves something. How does that happen???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dee4707 View Post
    Joe, maybe marriage is the wrong term to use. This is why I say this. You have 2 people, male-male, female-female who have lived together for many years, have been good citizens, supported their community, church and live decent lives. One dies....what happens to the one left who built their life with a partner, both emotionally and monitarily?? I think the one left deserves something. How does that happen???
    I dunno Dee, but it's still going on when hospitals refuse to let a partner to visit his/her partner of 40 years. when in sick bed.
    I think but I am not sure, the Gay politicians want the term marriage to ensure equality. I also am not sure but the religious people see a marriage as their life which is not a gay life, and do not wish to share that term with gays despite the fact that the divorce rate is past the 50% rate; that murding spouses for insurance money is rampant, that alimony is not being paid, etc., etc., etc. Is wedlock really all that holy?

    Maybe they could call it WedPartner as opposed to business partner.

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    Some of the most religious of men I've met have been rude to anyone not model perfect. So much for treating fellow human beings with respect and kindness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johar View Post
    Some of the most religious of men I've met have been rude to anyone not model perfect. So much for treating fellow human beings with respect and kindness.
    I think that is what gets me the most about some of the uber-Christian folk (not all, but some!). I was raised in the Christian faith and don't seem to understand the discrimination that happens in our World today in the name of God. Whatever happened to treating others the way you want to be treated?

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    Bush is a God-fearing man but he approves torture whether or not detainees have anthing to say. Yeah. very Christian. No?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spun Silver View Post
    Frankly, I see a lot more anti-religious fervor than religious fervor these days. Atheism can be as fanatical and exclusive as any religion. I watched part of a debate between Christopher Hitchens and a Christian pastor the other day. It was remarkable how respectful and rational the pastor was compared with how downright nasty and irrational Hitchens was. Hitchens was relying on putdowns, emotional rhetoric and his nifty Oxbridge accent. I thought it was disgusting.
    Not all athesists hold the same views. I had never really believed in God, but it was only after I read Ayn Rand at 19 that I declared myself an atheist, and also a radical for capitalism. The whole Objectivist movement (followers of Rand's philosophy) have a different approach to athesim that Hitchens or Dawkins (even though I found the latter's book The God Delusion intellectually invigorating).Whereas some atheists are rather nihilistic in their outlook, Rand & Co. are thoroughly intellectual.

    As for Gay marriage, Ayn Rand's chosen intellectual heir, Leonard Peikoff, recently gave his support to it, saying he knows gay and lesbian couples just as secure in their relationships as any straight ones, and for him it is a way to sock it to the religious right, which he sees as more dangerous than even the socialists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John King View Post
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    As for Gay marriage, Ayn Rand's chosen intellectual heir, Leonard Peikoff, recently gave his support to it, saying he knows gay and lesbian couples just as secure in their relationships as any straight ones, and for him it is a way to sock it to the religious right, which he sees as more dangerous than even the socialists.
    But gay marriage is against the law of God and it should be against the law of the land. Some Christians will see to it that it will not pass for religious reasons only and no other reason - not even the 'equality' written into the constitution will matter. (as Orwell put it: All people are equal but some are more Equal than others.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by John King View Post
    Leonard Peikoff, recently gave his support to it, saying he knows gay and lesbian couples just as secure in their relationships as any straight ones
    Not true. Statistics show otherwise.

    Quote Originally Posted by John King View Post
    and for him it is a way to sock it to the religious right, which he sees as more dangerous than even the socialists.
    That's a real intellectual there, who will support a political opinion just to "stick it to" a group he doesn't like. Very high-minded and honest.

    Yeah, let's live in fear of the "religious right" who might ... restore some measure of values that we used to have in this country. Someone tell Mr. Intellectual that the unknown is clearly more dangerous than something we had for centuries. Especially given how many socialist and communist countries have utterly failed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joesitz View Post
    But gay marriage is against the law of God and it should be against the law of the land. Some Christians will see to it that it will not pass for religious reasons only and no other reason - not even the 'equality' written into the constitution will matter. (as Orwell put it: All people are equal but some are more Equal than others.)
    And slavery is condoned by the bible. Go to the website www.evilbible.com for numerous quotes from the bible about selling your offspring to slavery, buying slaves from neighbouring countries, and several other quotes strait from the bible.

    If nothing else, there is one thing Christians cannot dance around: If the bible's condemnation of homosexuality is reason to make it the law of the land, what about the commandmant that thou shalt only work six days a week, and rest on the seventh day? Does it say anything about any exceptions? Police? Firefighters? Prison guards? Armed forces? Unless someone can point out something in the bible that can allow these exceptions, to be true to the good book, one would have to close down all of these on Sunday.

    Finally, go to www.humanistsofutah.org/2002/WhyCantIOwnACanadian_10-02.html for that essay "An Open Letter To Dr. Laura". The bible clearly said those things. Care to clarify?
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