Rooting for the divas with Kwanford
Oh pish tosh, 10, 6 - what's the difference? Numbers are not my thing.
Originally Posted by antmanb
Anyway, I'm in an Olympic haze where skating and gymnastics, past and present, all mix together and Alexei Yagudin and Alexei Nemov, Sasha Cohen and Svetlana Khorkina are all shining like stars in the firmament...
Thanks for the correction.
~ Figure Skating Is My Passion ~
Since I am from the "old school" of figure skating, yes the ordinal system is easier for me; I find COP a bit cumbersome. I don't know how the skaters (especially the "seasoned" vets) feel.
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I had to buy figure skating for dummies to get an idea on how ordinals works and I still didn't get it (and don't)... I can't keep up with which judges placed which skater first and so on and how many one would need to get gold over silver and how something like the ladies' 02 competition happened (the whole if Slute places here she gets this color medal and Kwan gets gold and blah blah blah)
CoP works SO much easier. the one with the most points at the end wins...
and I LOVE that there CAN be huge jumps in placements... 2006 mens LP... yeah I don't like Buttle's PLANNED FALL on a QUAD getting him a bronze... but Evan's jump in the ranks gives ya hope!
That's Not the Right Question
That's not quite the right question to ask. The better question to ask would be: Which system does the paying public find easier to understand? Neither system is a deal breaker for the people who live and breath skating. But CoP certainly is for the general public.
CoP, at least the end result, is easy to understand. Without knowing all the levels etc. you know Skater A had a higher score than Skater B. When all the details are out and you want to reason out how the judges arrived at that score, then it's a different story.
6.0 was easy to get if the ordinals didn't go all over place. So in some events where Skater A got mostly 1s or 2s then its understandable why he/she won over Skater B who got mostly 2s and a smattering of 3s and 4s.
But since I became a real fan of figure skating during CoP, I guess I understand it better. When I was watching as a casual fan (and a kid) during 6.0, I just rooted for whoever had the most 1s
I agree with this post entirely.
Originally Posted by steyn
So now the question is this. Is it the job of the ISU to provide a satisfying emotional experience for the audience (old system) or to determine as objectively as possible which skater completed the most difficult program and did it best -- even, perhaps at the expense of allowing the audience to drift away?
If it's the job of the ISU to provide a "satisfying emotional experience for the audience" we might as well ditch any form of a judging system and turn every competition into a phone-in/audience vote popularity contest cheesefest.
Originally Posted by Mathman
If the commentators do their job and try to help the paying public into understanding CoP by explaining levels, GOEs, etc, I doubt there would be much confusion. After all, I recall commentators used to explain why one skater got a 5.5 while another got a 5.7 when skating was under 6.0 too. But if commentators are openly bashing CoP and not even TRYING to explain why one skater's footwork got a higher level (for example) than another, I can see why the public thinks CoP is too complicated, if even the "expert" commentators do not like CoP.
Last edited by evangeline; 05-11-2009 at 12:51 AM.
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I think many of the skaters like the scoring system and as for the seasoned vets there really aren't many of them around anymore and soon they will be pretty much obsolete. For most of the skaters coming up through the ranks, COP has been the only judging system they've known so it isn't "the new system" as it is to the veterans; it's just "the system".
Originally Posted by Ladskater