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Thread: Should Weir skip the GP this year?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pippa View Post
    I really doubt that Johnny spends any more time on extracurricular activities than any other skater - he has weekends off from training, just like all of them, and I'm sure they all enjoy personal activities during that time. Johnny is just more open with his fans about his personal life than most skaters are, through his journals and now Twitter, so we hear about the shopping/fashion shows/dinners out he spends time on more than we do about others.

    As for his doing shows overseas rather than in the US, that isn't so much Johnny's choice as a necessity. He has never been invited to perform in the only US skating tour, Stars on Ice, like other current US skaters such as Lysacek, Belbin & Agosto, Davis & White, McLaughlin & Brubaker, Meissner, Flatt, Zhang and Rippon have. At the most, he can maybe book one or two single skating appearances each off-season in the US, and otherwise he has to depend on Korea, Japan and Eastern Europe to earn money to support his skating.
    IIRC, Flatt, has never had a SOI appearance. Her show appearances have been local club shows, Skate For Hope in Ohio, and an appearance at Sun Valley last summer. OTH, Zhang and Nagasu have skated in some LA area SOI shows as well as M/B in Denver, and Meissner has toured with SOI for several years. Weir, for all his competitive success, has had to fund his skating through less lucrative appearances than some of the tour skaters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nylynnr View Post
    My question is this. All of us spend much time discussing skaters' schedules, how they do too much, don't peak at the right time, etc. However, in other sports, i.e., tennis, athletes are expected to perform day in and day out, every other day at a Grand Slam and every day during a regular tournament. In other sports athletes perform once a week during the season (NFL) or 2-3 times (NHL, MBL). In the arts, ABT performers go twice a week during the season. In figure skating, it's a big deal for athletes to do a summer event, two GPs, the GPF, nationals, 4cs/Euros and worlds over an 8-9 month period. Why is it such an issue in skating? Any medical people out there? I once asked a top skater this question; the response was, those other athletes/dancers are getting paid a lot of money, which of course is part of it. Any other thoughts?
    Good q. Maybe it's the cost of paying their coaches to come. That's quite a bit right there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nigel View Post
    IIRC, Flatt, has never had a SOI appearance. Her show appearances have been local club shows, Skate For Hope in Ohio, and an appearance at Sun Valley last summer. OTH, Zhang and Nagasu have skated in some LA area SOI shows as well as M/B in Denver, and Meissner has toured with SOI for several years. Weir, for all his competitive success, has had to fund his skating through less lucrative appearances than some of the tour skaters.
    Point of clarification.

    Rachel did appear on a Disson special last season - Progressive Skating and Gymnastics Spectacular so I think she's starting some of those ops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by merrybari View Post
    Rachel did appear on a Disson special last season - Progressive Skating and Gymnastics Spectacular so I think she's starting some of those ops.
    She's also doing that makeup stuff (sponsored by a makeup co. or something).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spun Silver View Post
    She's also doing that makeup stuff (sponsored by a makeup co. or something).
    I would be interested to know the details of what this contract involves. I have not been able to find any ads or promotional work that Racahael has done yet for MAC cosmetics. All of the announcements use the language "MAC will become Flatt's preferred cosmetic company heading into the Olympics."

    That makes it sound like a whole lot depends on whether Rachael makes the Olympic team and, if so, whether she makes a big splash in Vancouver. A lot of contracts with athletes have "performance bonuses."

    Brainy Rachael also "endorses" Reading is Fundamental and was spokesperson for the "wear red, white and blue braces for the 2006 Olympics" campaign for the Ameriucan Orthodontal Society. I don't know if she got paid for these gigs, though -- probably not for the reading program (Natalie Portman is another of celebs involved in the reading thing.)

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    [QUOTE=nylynnr;
    My question is this. All of us spend much time discussing skaters' schedules, how they do too much, don't peak at the right time, etc. However, in other sports, i.e., tennis, athletes are expected to perform day in and day out, every other day at a Grand Slam and every day during a regular tournament. In other sports athletes perform once a week during the season (NFL) or 2-3 times (NHL, MBL). In the arts, ABT performers go twice a week during the season. In figure skating, it's a big deal for athletes to do a summer event, two GPs, the GPF, nationals, 4cs/Euros and worlds over an 8-9 month period. Why is it such an issue in skating? Any medical people out there? I once asked a top skater this question; the response was, those other athletes/dancers are getting paid a lot of money, which of course is part of it. Any other thoughts?[/QUOTE]


    One thing I have heard is that it is not the competitions themsleves that wear down skaters - but the fact that very intense training precedes each competition. I think I heard Peggy Flemming say that in her era she might have done 2 or 3 competitions a year. Before each event the training was very intense for a 4-6 week period. Today the skaters are appearing at more competitions and they are also training harder and longer hours than they used to. Cross training has been added along with the training on ice.
    So doing 4-6 competitions a years means the time factor for maintaining top conditioning increases. This can make a skater more vulnerable to little nagging injuries (or more serious ones).
    I think Peggy is right to an extent but every skater is different and some hold up better than others to all the training that they do in a season now.

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    ^^^

    The skaters of today have it much easier than in Fleming/Hammil's days. For one thing Peggy and Dorothy were not allowed to make money, and the US government was not as kind as the Soviet governmen t.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joesitz View Post
    ^^^

    The skaters of today have it much easier than in Fleming/Hammil's days. For one thing Peggy and Dorothy were not allowed to make money, and the US government was not as kind as the Soviet governmen t.

    Whether I agree with that point or not - I dont see how it answers the question.
    Skaters in Carol-Peggy-Janet-Dorothy era did not have the GP events and it was often a hardship on the families of skaters being able to afford the training expenses.So they typically turned Pro sooner than skaters do today.
    But I think we were discussing why skaters are getting tired and having trouble peaking at the right time. How many competitions can a skater do in a season witht the difficult requirements of cop and the peak conditioning needed to perform at that level. Can they do one competitive event a month or will that burn them out?

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    Just thought I would complete the thought of peggy and dorothy as not having an easy time of it financially. Their costumes were not designer made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joesitz View Post
    Just thought I would complete the thought of peggy and dorothy as not having an easy time of it financially. Their costumes were not designer made.
    OK. FYI, Dorothy's Dad made a very good living. And I think Tenley Albright was from a socially prominent family. The one's who had it harder were Carol Heiss, Peggy and Janet. Both Carol and Janet received help from their communities. Dorothy didn't need it and she cleaned up after the "76 Olympics with big pay days from ABC, Clairol and the Ice shows. Janet, famoulsy signed a contract for 1,5 million dollars when she turned Pro, making her the highest paid female athlete in the world at the time. I don't think any of the Soviet bloc girls received a payday like that - although Katerina was known to have been rewarded very will by the E. German govt. And why not, after back to back OGM's.

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    Soviet athletes were bred to glorify the State. In return they were given complete living conditions, schooling and lots of athletics by the best of coaches.
    that was a better life than most Russian peasant children got.

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    Quote Originally Posted by janetfan View Post
    OK. FYI, Dorothy's Dad made a very good living.
    Dorothy's father made a good living but it was not sufficient to comfortably support her skating, including ice time, Carlo Fassi's fees, living accomodations, etc. Hamill's autobiography discusses this at length. One of Dorothy's most haunting memories is her mother handing her the last $5 they had, so Dorothy could get something to eat, while her mother went hungry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joesitz View Post
    Soviet athletes were bred to glorify the State. In return they were given complete living conditions, schooling and lots of athletics by the best of coaches.
    that was a better life than most Russian peasant children got.

    Alot of Soviet kids were bred from a night of too much vodka drinking
    Same as kids in the west except in Germany it might have been from beer, in USA from whiskey, etc., etc

    I always admired aspects of socialism and never saw anything wrong with them seeking excellence where they could. Isn't that what we do too?

    It is true that their most talented athletes may have had advantages - and how is that much different than it was in the West? I always remember the advantages the best athletes had in school when I was growing up. I was a cracker jack b-ball player and believe me I had many breaks because of it. I never had to go to gym class and got a double lunch hour. I could get tutoring and always from the cutest girls

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    Champion boxers sometimes have only one fight a year and train for six months for it.

    There's being in shape, and then there is being in "ring shape."

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    Or rink ready!!! hahaha
    This is my first post so I thought I'd make it a silly one.

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