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    Keeping New Music Secret..???

    I just read that Orser said Yuna has finished her new LP choreo for next season and will begin working on her new SP next week. He said the music will be kept secret until the start of next season. Seems like we heard the same thing from Tat last month regarding Mao's new music for 2010.
    Does anybody see any benefit to keeping new music underwraps until the season begins? Part of me hopes Mao and Yuna have selected the same music for their LP's next season Keeping it secret until the start of next season would make it tough for either of them to change at such a late date.
    I do see a risk of being duplicated by several other skaters by keeping music selections secret. I do not see any advantage? Any thoughts - or can someone tell me what advantage is gained by guarding new program music like it is a state secret?
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    I would guess by keeping the music a secret, the skater creates more anticipation among us fans! (Also, you don't release the soundtrack before the movie is in the theater...)

    I for one do not hope Yuna and Mao have chosen the same music

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    Frankly I see no benefit to keeping it a secret. Each skater will bring a different interpretation - not to mention a different cut - to the music. If it IS the same, so much the better for anticipation. What will this one do that the other won't? etc.

    Keeping it secret seems more passive and insecure to me. Putting it out there is more assertive and denotes confidence. JMO. *shrug*

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    Aaaaaah! But without secrecy, there would be no speculation! Skating boards thrive on massive amounts of speculation!

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    By being seldom seen, I could not stir
    But, like a comet, I was wond'red at;
    That men would tell their children, 'This is she!'
    Others would say, 'Where? Which is Kim Yuna?'

    Thus did I keep my programs fresh and new,
    My music, never heard but wond'red at;
    and so it showed itself at last, a rare and sumptuous feast.

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    Well she certainly is on top of things. I guess they keep us in suspense partially for the drama, and partially because if things don't work out and she winds up changing her music, we all won't wonder what happened. Also maybe they are trying to avoid other skaters trying to create drama by purposely choosing the same music.

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    being a self proclaimed "old timer" skating fan, I would think you'd be used to it by now as it's common practice... especially for an Olympic season.

    I don't understand it much, either, though you don't want the competition to get an idea and skate to similar music to maybe show how much better they are at a style than you are...

    or pull a Witt and skate to your program during a practice because you're both using the same music...

    I think it helps in some ways because you're not constantly thinking about what music they chose, sure you're curious (hey if fans are rivals must be, too, right?) and how their music might be so much better than what you've chosen (or had chosen for you).

    But basically it boils down to tradition... IMHO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by merrybari View Post
    Frankly I see no benefit to keeping it a secret. Each skater will bring a different interpretation - not to mention a different cut - to the music. If it IS the same, so much the better for anticipation. What will this one do that the other won't? etc.

    Keeping it secret seems more passive and insecure to me. Putting it out there is more assertive and denotes confidence. JMO. *shrug*
    So far merrybari's post seems to make the most sense to me.
    I remember Calgary '88 and the "Showdown of the Carmens." The fact that Kat and Debbi both chose "Carmen" actually heightened the interest and people talked about their interpretations, costumes, and makeup. There also was a difference in the way the music was chosen and cut so rather than being seen as a negative, the two favorites skating to "Carmen" added to the excitement.
    No one has really given a strong legit reason for the secrecy - although mathman showed some passion with his lovely poem.

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    sure it was entertaining for you, but it added stress - Debi Thomas speaks about it quite regularly (in response to media questions).... she didn't find it quite as much fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonichelle View Post
    sure it was entertaining for you, but it added stress - Debi Thomas speaks about it quite regularly (in response to media questions).... she didn't find it quite as much fun.

    Hey, if I was the only one who enjoyed it then I am sorry. But you are forgetting millions and millions of viewers around the world who also may have enjoyed it.
    I was rooting for Debi and it appeared she was done in by the stress. There were other factors that may have added to her stress as well.
    But what if Yuna and Mao keep there music secret until october and it turns out they have the same music. If one of them gets stressed I will not feel any guilt as I think it is a silly idea keeping it secret to begin with.

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    I highly doubt the competitive skaters are wondering what is best for the fans/viewership... and if they are then they should quit competiting and just work with shows and rebuild the professional skating world...

    I would hope that the skaters are focussed on their upcoming season... let the fans sit and wait and wonder (or not, to be honest I'm happy to wait. I could care less and have yet to get my panties in a knot waiting to know what everyone is skating to)...

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    Quote Originally Posted by janetfan View Post
    But what if Yuna and Mao keep there music secret until october and it turns out they have the same music. If one of them gets stressed I will not feel any guilt as I think it is a silly idea keeping it secret to begin with.
    Why would you (generic you) feel guilt if they skated to the same music, whether they knew in advance or didn't?

    Also I find it strange that anyone thinks that a skater should change their music choice just because someone else chose it too for the same season. Even one of the warhorses would use different cuts etc. I think it would rock a skater who has finished the choregoraphy of the programme, if they are happy with the programme with their eye on the Olympics. Why would you change? Apparently for 2006 Slutskaya and Kwan were to skate to the same music int he SP weren't they? Of course Kwan never competed but neither of them were scrabbling about trying to find a new piece of music.

    And about finding out in advance about the music choice, i suspect if i were a skater, i'd prefer the fans to find out the music at the same time that I performed to it, that way you judge the thing as a whole. If you announce five months in advance what the music will be, the fans have 5 months to complain how wrong the music is and have ajaded view fo the programme the first time they watch it (i've lost count of hte number of tmies this has happened), or conversely it can build up their expectations for how the programme might/should look and those fans can end up disappointed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    By being seldom seen, I could not stir
    But, like a comet, I was wond'red at;
    That men would tell their children, 'This is she!'
    Others would say, 'Where? Which is Kim Yuna?'

    Thus did I keep my programs fresh and new,
    My music, never heard but wond'red at;
    and so it showed itself at last, a rare and sumptuous feast.
    Nice MM.
    You should consider changing your nickname to ShakespeareMan or HenryIVMan

    Quote Originally Posted by antmanb View Post
    And about finding out in advance about the music choice, i suspect if i were a skater, i'd prefer the fans to find out the music at the same time that I performed to it, that way you judge the thing as a whole. If you announce five months in advance what the music will be, the fans have 5 months to complain how wrong the music is and have ajaded view fo the programme the first time they watch it (i've lost count of hte number of tmies this has happened), or conversely it can build up their expectations for how the programme and those fans can end up disappointed.
    Ant
    Now that make most sense to me. Judging the program as a whole. Nothing to add.

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    Even if fans know the music, from the piece we know, to the one they will use, with all the cuts etc, there is a big distance, so I can never imagine a program even if i know the music 5 months ago.
    I prefer they dont skate to the same music though, the only reason is that there are so many pieces of music that I wish I can see from any skater, plus there will be among the top skaters the unavoidable carmens and dalidahs, so it is good to have some diversity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonichelle View Post
    being a self proclaimed "old timer" skating fan, I would think you'd be used to it by now as it's common practice... especially for an Olympic season.

    I don't understand it much, either, though you don't want the competition to get an idea and skate to similar music to maybe show how much better they are at a style than you are...

    or pull a Witt and skate to your program during a practice because you're both using the same music...

    I think it helps in some ways because you're not constantly thinking about what music they chose, sure you're curious (hey if fans are rivals must be, too, right?) and how their music might be so much better than what you've chosen (or had chosen for you).

    But basically it boils down to tradition... IMHO.
    I can't recall such a fuss about music in general and have no recollection growing up of skater's keeping their music secret. Did Peggy or Dorothy keep their music secret? I don't remember. Did they release statements to the press they were keeping their new music secret? Again, I don't remember but I highly doubt it. Maybe they did - but in a pre-internet world - not that many were listening. Many skaters have already announced their music for next season.. Only a couple have made an announcement that it is being kept secret. I find announcing to the press that new music will be kept secret odd. Is it a play for publicity? Is it a sign of paranoia or an example of egotisitical behavior? A bit of gamesmanship perhaps?
    Whatever - I don't lay awake nights wondering what music Yuna or Mao will be skating to next season and if this sort of behavior is "tradition" it is something that I apparently missed.
    I am very curious to see Caroline's new programs. Of course music will be a key element but that is not what I am curious about. It is about seeing how much her skating may have progressed. Seeing how she skates after her growth spurt. Seeing her jumps and other elements. As a professional musician I am very aware and happy that music plays an important part in a skater's presentation - and can help show off a skater's artistry - or lack of it.
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