Can it be done in skating?
Not to pick on Caro, but she has been known to have bad air positions on her jumps, not centered (tilted) and this typically leads to some sloppy landings where she two foots it, or loses her balance and/or puts her hand down. She does this at every competition I have ever seen her in - but sometimes judges from a certain geographic area seem to "miss it." She has some great qualities but it feels like she is trying to bring some type of Euro post-modernism (the type SNL likes to mock ) to her programs. I admire her for bringing something different even if I rarely find it attractive. For me, she is almost the "kitchen break" skater - but actually I usually watch her to see her scores - which sometimes seem suspiciously over inflated to me..
Aside from her lack of consistency I recognize she is a talented skater.
About Frank Carroll - was that just a rumor or is it confirmed?
I have no doubt Frank could improve aspects of Caro's presentation (for my taste atleast) but don't see how much else he or anyone can do to fix a few of her recurring problems. She has been skating too long to suddenly undergo a transformation. But when she is on she can skate with the best.
Just some thoughts and wishing Caro good luck for next season. Despite my opinions I think she has the abilty to make the Olympic podium but as mentioned previously she has a very huge "IF" factor.
Oh, and here are her bad air positions...
oh, really, Nakano couldn't do worse...
And I'm not absolutely sure that Carolina has officially been penalized for flutzing, but I know some have commented on the iffiness of her lutz edge entry.
Last edited by shine; 06-10-2009 at 02:25 PM.
And Shizuka lips, so I wouldn't say she has the best set of triples ever. That honour belongs to Miki, in my book. A close second is Midori; the leg wrap may seem to disqualify her, but everything else was so close to perfection that it almost doesn't matter.
Last edited by Andalusia; 06-10-2009 at 02:34 PM.
I'll give you that. But when I said the best set of triple jumps I was thinking of skaters who have great lateral flow in and out as well as great vertical, natural spring on both their toe and edge jumps. Skaters usually are better at one or the other (for example, Mao is better at edge jumps and Yuna better at toe jumps). And Shizuka was the skater that came to mind who was equally strong on both. But I guess I could mention Rochette, too.And Shizuka lips, so I wouldn't say she has the best set of triples ever.
That honour obviously doesn't belong to Miki. Even though she has good spring on her jumps, something about her air position (perhaps the leaning backward) makes her more prone to underrotation than other skaters with good air position. And hence she is marked down more often than others. Because of the same thing, she also doesn't achieve as good of a flow out on her landings.That honour belongs to Miki, in my book.
Yeah, and I said "currently competing". I brought up Arakawa because even though she is not currently competing, she's the closest person I can think of who has similar quality on her jumps to Kostner.A close second is Midori; the leg wrap may seem to disqualify her, but everything else was so close to perfection that it almost doesn't matter.
Last edited by shine; 06-10-2009 at 02:55 PM.
The thing is not if she is a cronical flutzer or an occasional one..I would really really like to watch one single "suspicios" lutz from her.
I agree with you. It would have been far more believable if Andalusia said Kostner lipped.
Wait, so is Carolina going to Frank Carroll or not? Is it just for summer? (If so, whatever will she do when the season starts?)
I like Caro's air positions when she is jumping well. I just see her tilted at times which leads to sloppy landings - or she can be off balance when she lands ('08 Worlds for instance). I appreciate that Caro, like Evan, is taller and aspects of jumping are harder for taller skaters.
I think her 2A is weak - but I will say when she pulls off a good 3x3 combo it is as good as it gets in the ladies field. (Oh gosh, have I offended the Yunabots with that remark )
I think a red hot Caro has a very good chance to medal in Vancouver. She has the talent - it is just a question of how she will skate her two Olympic programs. And how the other top skaters will do as well. I don't necessarily like her style and choreo - but it is not personal. I hope she has two good skates in Vancouver. Whether or not I like her as much as other girls has no bearing on my opinion of her skating technique and artistry.
I love Caroline Zhang but I couldn't read GS forum if I took such offense to every negative remark about her skating.
Buona fortuna Carolina.