If any singles lady can do a charlotte spin, my bet is it would be Caroline or Alissa! It's been done in pairs, so I'm sure someone, somewhere has at least tried to.
If any singles lady can do a charlotte spin, my bet is it would be Caroline or Alissa! It's been done in pairs, so I'm sure someone, somewhere has at least tried to.
It's a no brainer...Figure Skating involves flexiblity. Those skaters who are gifted - like Sasha Cohen for example with natural flexibility have the edge over other skaters who have to work on their flexibilty to perfect a move. It just adds to the overall look of the move and improves the skaters posture and poise.Originally Posted by Alicja
All sports people and people not in sports have flexibility or they are in rehab.
What I am saying is that some skaters are more able to bend their body parts better than other skaters. Some of those tricks are quite exciting but I would be hesitant in saying they are beautiful. JMO.
Just out of curiousity, Joe, which very flexible positions that ice skater hits well do you find ugly? We may be on a similar thought-I personally have no use for I-spins/spirals and fan-spirals, even when the skater has more flexibility than the average person:
http://media.twango.com/m1/original/...74a783a4c1.jpg
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/...kxat2/340x.jpg
...but I will also say I think when those positions are fully stretched out well, it's amazing to see, I just not necessarily think,"Oh, that's beautiful!"
MKFSfan - I didn't say ugly. I did say exciting like in Cirque du Soleil and Gymnastics and in FS, I would consider anything that doesn't require a helping hand but just plain old muscle. The I spin for me, is just too many body parts involved.
We agree. If the I spin could go up to high heaven without a two hand assist, I could appreciate the ability of the skate's acrobatics. Not sure, though if I would consider it beautiful since it's only a position reserved for some competitors and doesn't say much about ice to skate.
Spirals and Camels at 145 degrees are beautiful and can be exciting with the right music. That's what skating is to me. I'm not in favore of more acrobatics in figure skating, I get enough of that in Pairs.
I don't think "flexibility" has to be an either/or proposition (either you can bend or you can't). It can also be comparative.
To me, there is a spectrum: inflexible, limited flexibility, normal flexibility, superior flexibilty, freakish flexibility. A 145 degree change of edge spiral displays greater flexibility than a 90 degree change of edge spiral does.
Average flexibility – what I can do (except for the skating part)
He’s trying!
Superior flexibility – the average person can’t do this.
Hand assisted (sort of).
Hand assisted for real. If you don’t stop doing that, young lady, your legs are going to lock in that position and you’ll never walk again!
And the winner:
NATHAN CHEN
Have you ever seen a 145 degree camel spin?Spirals and Camels at 145 degrees are beautiful and can be exciting with the right music.
http://www.dmfsc.com/Skills/CamelSpin.jpg
http://www.frogsonice.com/skateweb/r.../bradley-2.jpg
Last edited by Mathman; 06-25-2009 at 02:38 PM.
Only with hand assist of some kind.Have you ever seen a 145 degree camel spin?
E.g., the end of the combo spin here, about 1:40
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCsQEzXT6xA
I believe Ive seen Shawn Sawyer& Rohene Ward
Thank you for the link to Toller Cranston that was a wonderful program. Ive heard soo many wonderful things about his skating but have never watched any of his videos. I will have to watch more in the future
It seemed to me that Toller did an Attitude posiition Nothing wrong with that.
MM. We have to agree not to agree on the I spin. If you think grabbing your foot with two hands and dragging the foot over your head is beautiful, that is your taste, not mine. I'm not saying it should not be judged in competitions but it is an advantage for skaters who could do this before they took up skating.
I'm not sure if calling what I consider a beautiful camel is 45 degrees. My vectors were never precise. But if a skater can get the free leg between even with the ice and the 180 degree one, by half way, that is the most imposing level for judging. And btw, it can be used in bravura or lyrical skating and with meaning. (defiant or inspirational)
Butryskaya came close to that if not totally.
The I spin? Did I say anything about the I spin?
Last edited by Mathman; 06-25-2009 at 08:10 PM.
The I spin? Did I say anything about the I spin?Can you show me a pic or youtube of an I spiral (for want of a better term) not spinning? Maybe in Gymnastics with a kick upwards and down but not an extension and held.
See above in this thread. I posted a pic of Sasha's I, which MKFSfan noted is a spiral, not a spin.
i m not sure i understood, you mean not spinning and without support? In gymnastics you have positions I&Y (they are not called like this though) that you hold your position and without help, with support of the hand you also turn around like spinning. In Y position you can spin without support of hand. Not just kick up to your head.
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2
3
4 maybe this is closer to Y
if i didnt understand the question i m sorry:o
Are you talking about "I" position spirals that don't have a hand hold? I don;t think I've ever seen one in an "I". Shizuka, Mirai and a few others do a "Y" release move. Many skaters do a "I" spiral in the side catch position. Not sure about a front catch "I" spiral.
"I" spiral: http://www.skateygirl.com/nat2006/sr...%20221_jpg.jpg
Front catch spin: http://www.cs.kent.edu/~walker/photo...s/photo291.jpg
Nobody does this side catch "Y" spin better than Alissa: http://photos.skatetoday.com/albums/...NY20618562.jpg
why is this called I spin
while this Y spin?Nobody does this side catch "Y" spin better than Alissa: http://photos.skatetoday.com/albums/...NY20618562.jpg
i thought for I spin your foot has to be stretched in front of you not on your side.
I m confused again.
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