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    If any singles lady can do a charlotte spin, my bet is it would be Caroline or Alissa! It's been done in pairs, so I'm sure someone, somewhere has at least tried to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alicja View Post
    As I noticed around various skating boards, flexibility in spirals and spins for many people is one of the most appealing factors they're looking for in a skater. I'm curious to know why.
    Of course, a split spiral or something like Caroline's pearl spin is a real 'wow' factor. It's certainly amazing but not really a quality I'm primarily looking for when watching figure skating. For great extensions, perfectly pointed feet I'm going to watch ballet (this is of course important in skating too, but for me only to a certain extent) and for crazy flexibility I'd watch rhythmic gymnastics. So, overall, while I sometimes appreciate it, it's not a necessary or perferable quality to me.

    So to all the flexibility lovers out there, what is it that makes it so exciting and essential for you?
    It's a no brainer...Figure Skating involves flexiblity. Those skaters who are gifted - like Sasha Cohen for example with natural flexibility have the edge over other skaters who have to work on their flexibilty to perfect a move. It just adds to the overall look of the move and improves the skaters posture and poise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ladskater View Post
    It's a no brainer...Figure Skating involves flexiblity. Those skaters who are gifted - like Sasha Cohen for example with natural flexibility have the edge over other skaters who have to work on their flexibilty to perfect a move. It just adds to the overall look of the move and improves the skaters posture and poise.
    All sports people and people not in sports have flexibility or they are in rehab.

    What I am saying is that some skaters are more able to bend their body parts better than other skaters. Some of those tricks are quite exciting but I would be hesitant in saying they are beautiful. JMO.

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    Just out of curiousity, Joe, which very flexible positions that ice skater hits well do you find ugly? We may be on a similar thought-I personally have no use for I-spins/spirals and fan-spirals, even when the skater has more flexibility than the average person:
    http://media.twango.com/m1/original/...74a783a4c1.jpg
    http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/...kxat2/340x.jpg
    ...but I will also say I think when those positions are fully stretched out well, it's amazing to see, I just not necessarily think,"Oh, that's beautiful!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by MKFSfan View Post
    Just out of curiousity, Joe, which very flexible positions that ice skater hits well do you find ugly? We may be on a similar thought-I personally have no use for I-spins/spirals and fan-spirals, even when the skater has more flexibility than the average person:
    http://media.twango.com/m1/original/...74a783a4c1.jpg
    http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/...kxat2/340x.jpg
    ...but I will also say I think when those positions are fully stretched out well, it's amazing to see, I just not necessarily think,"Oh, that's beautiful!"
    MKFSfan - I didn't say ugly. I did say exciting like in Cirque du Soleil and Gymnastics and in FS, I would consider anything that doesn't require a helping hand but just plain old muscle. The I spin for me, is just too many body parts involved.

    We agree. If the I spin could go up to high heaven without a two hand assist, I could appreciate the ability of the skate's acrobatics. Not sure, though if I would consider it beautiful since it's only a position reserved for some competitors and doesn't say much about ice to skate.

    Spirals and Camels at 145 degrees are beautiful and can be exciting with the right music. That's what skating is to me. I'm not in favore of more acrobatics in figure skating, I get enough of that in Pairs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joesitz View Post
    All sports people and people not in sports have flexibility or they are in rehab.
    I don't think "flexibility" has to be an either/or proposition (either you can bend or you can't). It can also be comparative.

    To me, there is a spectrum: inflexible, limited flexibility, normal flexibility, superior flexibilty, freakish flexibility. A 145 degree change of edge spiral displays greater flexibility than a 90 degree change of edge spiral does.

    Average flexibility – what I can do (except for the skating part)

    He’s trying!

    Superior flexibility – the average person can’t do this.

    Hand assisted (sort of).

    Hand assisted for real. If you don’t stop doing that, young lady, your legs are going to lock in that position and you’ll never walk again!

    And the winner:

    NATHAN CHEN

    Spirals and Camels at 145 degrees are beautiful and can be exciting with the right music.
    Have you ever seen a 145 degree camel spin?

    http://www.dmfsc.com/Skills/CamelSpin.jpg

    http://www.frogsonice.com/skateweb/r.../bradley-2.jpg
    Last edited by Mathman; 06-25-2009 at 01:38 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    Have you ever seen a 145 degree camel spin?
    Only with hand assist of some kind.

    E.g., the end of the combo spin here, about 1:40
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCsQEzXT6xA

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    I believe Ive seen Shawn Sawyer & Rohene Ward do that as well.

    Thank you for the link to Toller Cranston that was a wonderful program. Ive heard soo many wonderful things about his skating but have never watched any of his videos. I will have to watch more in the future

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    Quote Originally Posted by gkelly View Post
    Only with hand assist of some kind.

    E.g., the end of the combo spin here, about 1:40
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCsQEzXT6xA
    It seemed to me that Toller did an Attitude posiition Nothing wrong with that.

    MM. We have to agree not to agree on the I spin. If you think grabbing your foot with two hands and dragging the foot over your head is beautiful, that is your taste, not mine. I'm not saying it should not be judged in competitions but it is an advantage for skaters who could do this before they took up skating.

    I'm not sure if calling what I consider a beautiful camel is 45 degrees. My vectors were never precise. But if a skater can get the free leg between even with the ice and the 180 degree one, by half way, that is the most imposing level for judging. And btw, it can be used in bravura or lyrical skating and with meaning. (defiant or inspirational)

    Butryskaya came close to that if not totally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joesitz View Post
    MM. We have to agree not to agree on the I spin.
    The I spin? Did I say anything about the I spin?
    Last edited by Mathman; 06-25-2009 at 07:10 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    The I spin? Did I say anything about the I spin?
    Can you show me a pic or youtube of an I spiral (for want of a better term) not spinning? Maybe in Gymnastics with a kick upwards and down but not an extension and held.

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    See above in this thread. I posted a pic of Sasha's I, which MKFSfan noted is a spiral, not a spin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joesitz View Post
    Can you show me a pic or youtube of an I spiral (for want of a better term) not spinning? Maybe in Gymnastics with a kick upwards and down but not an extension and held.
    i m not sure i understood, you mean not spinning and without support? In gymnastics you have positions I&Y (they are not called like this though) that you hold your position and without help, with support of the hand you also turn around like spinning. In Y position you can spin without support of hand. Not just kick up to your head.
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    if i didnt understand the question i m sorry:o

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joesitz View Post
    Can you show me a pic or youtube of an I spiral (for want of a better term) not spinning? Maybe in Gymnastics with a kick upwards and down but not an extension and held.
    Are you talking about "I" position spirals that don't have a hand hold? I don;t think I've ever seen one in an "I". Shizuka, Mirai and a few others do a "Y" release move. Many skaters do a "I" spiral in the side catch position. Not sure about a front catch "I" spiral.

    "I" spiral: http://www.skateygirl.com/nat2006/sr...%20221_jpg.jpg

    Front catch spin: http://www.cs.kent.edu/~walker/photo...s/photo291.jpg

    Nobody does this side catch "Y" spin better than Alissa: http://photos.skatetoday.com/albums/...NY20618562.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by MKFSfan View Post
    why is this called I spin

    Nobody does this side catch "Y" spin better than Alissa: http://photos.skatetoday.com/albums/...NY20618562.jpg
    while this Y spin?
    i thought for I spin your foot has to be stretched in front of you not on your side.
    I m confused again.

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