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    Quote Originally Posted by janetfan View Post
    I can see how your view is fine and does show a fair approach and respect for the Olympic spirit. BTW, I like hockey much better played on International size rinks with Intl rules.
    We really are opposite! I prefer it on NHL sized ice. I am so happy that's what is will be played on Vancouver! I can't wait for the Olympics!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by i love to skate View Post
    We really are opposite! I prefer it on NHL sized ice. I am so happy that's what is will be played on Vancouver! I can't wait for the Olympics!!
    Maybe being from Philly and having watched the Flyers "neanderthal" approach to hockey for so many years has heightened my respect for the skill I see in the Olympic tournament. I like the emphasis on passing and skating skill rather than "dumping the puck into the corner and trying to check your opponent through the boards" style that the Flyers have played since the 70's.

    Back closer to topic - will the GP series be televised in Canada next season (other than Skate Canada?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by janetfan View Post

    Back closer to topic - will the GP series be televised in Canada next season (other than Skate Canada?)
    No, I don't think the CBC will be broadcasting the GP events (besides Skate Canada). I think they are trying to come up with a solution so they can afford to but with the CBC being publicly owned they have really taken a hit with the recession. I believe they also cannot afford to renew their contract due to the high asking price of the ISU. It's really disappointing how the ISU has handled the broadcast rights for many countries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by i love to skate View Post
    No, I don't think the CBC will be broadcasting the GP events (besides Skate Canada). I think they are trying to come up with a solution so they can afford to but with the CBC being publicly owned they have really taken a hit with the recession. I believe they also cannot afford to renew their contract due to the high asking price of the ISU. It's really disappointing how the ISU has handled the broadcast rights for many countries.
    That's sort of the point I was referring to about adding more skaters to the GPF. It feels like that old question "if a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it does it still make a sound." Actually I always thought that was a silly old saying. But I think the ISU needs to find a way to get more skating back on the air in N. America before they worry about changing formats to their existing events. Of course if they are making so much money from the Asian federations maybe they don't need to worry about the N. American market. I just find it hard to feel bad for them when they say they are so pressed for cash if that is their attitude.

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    The ISU is in a tough position with respect to television negotiations in North America. If they give the broadcast rights away for free (which is basically what they did for LA Worlds), they are devaluing their own product.

    But if they drive a harder bargain, then they are pricing themselves out of the game altogether.

    The USFSA is in a similar pickle. As I understand their contract with NBC, the amont of money NBC pays for Skate America and U.S. Nationals is zero. It is up to the USFSA to sell enough advertising to break even.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    The ISU is in a tough position with respect to television negotiations in North America. If they give the broadcast rights away for free (which is basically what they did for LA Worlds), they are devaluing their own product.

    But if they drive a harder bargain, then they are pricing themselves out of the game altogether.

    The USFSA is in a similar pickle. As I understand their contract with NBC, the amont of money NBC pays for Skate America and U.S. Nationals is zero. It is up to the USFSA to sell enough advertising to break even.
    Thanks mm. What might be some of the reasons that skating has sunk to this low level of TV marketabilty in N. America?
    And even if it seems like a step back - how badly does US Skating need Sasha and MICHELLE back???
    I think there can be little doubt that US singles skaters are lacking in charisma. I don't like to say that but it seems more than obvious to me. I happen to really like many of them - but I still see no one - male or female coming close to what Sasha and especially Michelle brought to the table.
    Maybe those thoughts have nothing to do with the current plight but if not, then what are the reasons networks can't sell skating to their sponsors??

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    Quote Originally Posted by janetfan View Post
    What might be some of the reasons that skating has sunk to this low level of TV marketabilty in N. America?
    My own personal opinion is that the root cause is a societal shift that the figure skating establishment has little control over.

    If you think of a figure skating competition as half sporting event, half beauty contest, it is the beauty contest part that people are just not interested in any more. It seems quaint and old-fashioned -- if not outright objectionable -- to line up a bunch of pretty girls in skimpy costumes and make them perform cute little routines for us.

    The Miss America Pagaent used to be huge in the 1950s. Now, I think we have moved on. (JMO.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    The ISU is in a tough position with respect to television negotiations in North America. If they give the broadcast rights away for free (which is basically what they did for LA Worlds), they are devaluing their own product.

    But if they drive a harder bargain, then they are pricing themselves out of the game altogether.

    The USFSA is in a similar pickle. As I understand their contract with NBC, the amont of money NBC pays for Skate America and U.S. Nationals is zero. It is up to the USFSA to sell enough advertising to break even.
    The ISU brought on this problem themselves though. They should have realized their asking price was much too high compared to what the Networks were willing to pay. The ISU should have dropped down the price much sooner than they did. That's why they had to give away the rights for practically nothing. They also shot themselves in the foot with trying to package figure skating and speed skating together. The ISU needs to realize this is not the late 90's and they can't ask for astronomical prices anymore....especially considering the world recession.

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    The sinking of figure skating began not with SLC, although that was the final straw, it was the childish antics on Sunday afternoon TV. The TV ratings were so bad, the networks had to dump these silly comps. I will admit that some fans loved it but since I am a sports fan, I actually hated them. It made Figure Skating look like children dressing up and skating for the fun of it. It was baaaad for the sport.

    With viewers switching to cable on Sunday afternoons for a Yankees or Mets game ...... well, you know the rest.

    We are hoping that NBC will show not only a profit with their sponsors of Figure Skating, but also a higher ratings than in the previous OLYS.

    Keep tuned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joesitz View Post
    The sinking of figure skating began not with SLC, although that was the final straw, it was the childish antics on Sunday afternoon TV. The TV ratings were so bad, the networks had to dump these silly comps. I will admit that some fans loved it but since I am a sports fan, I actually hated them. It made Figure Skating look like children dressing up and skating for the fun of it. It was baaaad for the sport.

    With viewers switching to cable on Sunday afternoons for a Yankees or Mets game ...... well, you know the rest.

    We are hoping that NBC will show not only a profit with their sponsors of Figure Skating, but also a higher ratings than in the previous OLYS.

    Keep tuned.
    I agree that too many silly network produced skating shows probably did more to hurt skating's image than help it. Let's hope NBC and it's cable stations will show more this year. Geez, I would like to see TEB on TV instead of YouTube clips but I guess we will have to wait and see what happens next season.
    But I also think ISU got too greedy as was pointed out in a previous post and they hurt themselves along with skating fans..

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    Quote Originally Posted by janetfan View Post
    Geez, I would like to see TEB on TV instead of YouTube clips but I guess we will have to wait and see what happens next season.
    Russian TV is the answer. And Eurosport will hopefully broadcast the Grand Prix again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    Russian TV is the answer. And Eurosport will hopefully broadcast the Grand Prix again.
    Thanks medusa but I don't get those stations here. Any thoughts about icenetwork? I thought about subscibing - but again, I am not wild about little clips on my computer as opposed to what I can see on my much bigger television

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    Quote Originally Posted by janetfan View Post
    Any thoughts about icenetwork? I thought about subscibing - but again, I am not wild about little clips on my computer as opposed to what I can see on my much bigger television
    What you can see on your much bigger television may be nothing if the event is not broadcast. I have trouble with IceNetwork giving me a black screen during big events. I don't know if I will resubscribe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PolymerBob View Post
    . I have trouble with IceNetwork giving me a black screen during big events. I don't know if I will resubscribe.
    Thanks P-Bob, I appreciate hearing your thoughts on that.
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