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    Cinquanta seeks to test track team competition for Olympics

    Success of the recent World Team Trophy competition in Japan has Mr. Cinquanta now considering the addition of a team competition to the Olympics. He invisions such a team event taking place before the individual Olympic events and NGB's could use the same skaters from the team, in the individual events, or possibly other skaters.

    Cinquanta told Philip Hersh that such an event would have to be test tracked, most likely at a near-term World Championships before being accepted as an olympic event. 2014 is the earliest that it might be added to the Olympic calendar.

    Source - Philip Hersh's latest blog: 'ISU president: Sasha was Santa in 2006'

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    ``I believe the era of Sasha Cohen as loser when the favorite is over. Now we can have the Sasha Cohen era as a strong skater with more experience. If she wanted experience as a loser, she has enough.''
    Remember kids: if you don't win the top gold medals of the sport, you're a loser!

    I guess Michelle Kwan was a loser as well!

    I think speedy should do his team skating thing, and while he's at it just do away with any medal other than gold, because obviously they don't matter. He should also expand his focus to berate even more legendary skaters that helped pay his salary.
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    I haven't seen any hard numbers, but I think the ISU made a fortune with that World Team Trophy event.

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    Adding a team event before the individual disciplines in the Olympics will become a fan favorite and rake in much additional income for the IOC for very little added expense.

    Reports are that the ISU and JSF made huge profits from the first World Team Trophy, so look for a team event in the 2014 winter games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by visaliakid View Post
    Adding a team event before the individual disciplines in the Olympics will become a fan favorite and rake in much additional income for the IOC for very little added expense.

    Reports are that the ISU and JSF made huge profits from the first World Team Trophy, so look for a team event in the 2014 winter games.

    Logistically it seems to be very possible since the skaters are already there. But Japanese TV money won't cover any added expenses the way they did at WTT.
    Interesting to let them use different skaters (a way for bigger Federations to give an Olympic experience to skaters who just miss making their National team).
    I particularly enjoy the team competition at Gymnastic events - maybe ISU is hoping for a similar effect with the Team competition.
    For TV coverage, wouldn't a skating team event be better than curling or some of the less popular winter events? (apologies to any curling fans )

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    Wheee more fs olympic medals!!! Now more skaters can claim they are OG medalists

    The only problem I see, though, is that there are probably only 6-7 countries eligible to host WTT and probably only one of them has resources to actually host the event.

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    A team event at the Olympics would be amazing! More chances for the skaters to perform in an Olympic setting, more chances for medals, and more chances to increase team unity in what is typically an individual sport. Also, countries would now be encouraged to develop a true team of skaters, rather than focusing almost solely on any one discipline.

    I truly hope they follow through with this and we get to see this in 2014.

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    To make this work, they need to come up with some specialty events, so it can be a real team effort. Like gynmastics, where you have one guy who is a whiz on the rings and another guy on the high bar.

    If you just have several skaters do a long and and/or a short program, then add up the points, that doesn't have much "team" to the team.

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    It's time for the Japanese, Chinese, French and Italian federations to work on the disciplines that need work (JPN: Pairs and Dance; CHN: Ladies, Men and Dance; French: Ladies and Pairs; ITA: depth in Men and Ladies; Pairs).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    To make this work, they need to come up with some specialty events, so it can be a real team effort. Like gynmastics, where you have one guy who is a whiz on the rings and another guy on the high bar.

    If you just have several skaters do a long and and/or a short program, then add up the points, that doesn't have much "team" to the team.
    Of course they could do competitions for jumps - also a step sequence - and then the USA could let out our secret weapon - "Sweet Caroline" - for spirals and layback spins.
    Atleast we would be sure to see her on our Natl team that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PolymerBob View Post
    I haven't seen any hard numbers, but I think the ISU made a fortune with that World Team Trophy event.
    I'm not at all well versed in the financial end of figure skating, and I would like to know more.

    While the ISU gave its blessing for the WTT, and the Japanese paid for the entire organizational costs, what percentage of profits (if there were any) would go to the ISU?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    To make this work, they need to come up with some specialty events, so it can be a real team effort. Like gynmastics, where you have one guy who is a whiz on the rings and another guy on the high bar.

    If you just have several skaters do a long and and/or a short program, then add up the points, that doesn't have much "team" to the team.
    Personally I would love such a competition to include a first round consisting of a Jump Off, and Spin Off and Footwork segments, and a second round that is a free skate. But I don't think Speedy has any different form of a team comp in mind other than the model patterned after WTT.

    I think that it will consist of a maximum of top six qualifying teams (how TBD) with a short and long program from each skater, singles pair and dance team as done in the first World Team Trophy.

    I also think that what he has in mind for the future is that testing tracking it at Worlds to get it accepted into the olympics, successful or not, will lead to inclusion of a team comp at all future World Championships, to replace the World Team Trophy event. jmho!

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    I wonder if skaters would prefer it to come after their individual events. If it's before, they might be too focused on what they need to do for their own events, instead of working on the team event.

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    It's still a long way off before all the organizational problems are resolved. Maybe Cinquanta could look to Gymnastics for advice. Gymnastics do have team medals as well as individual medals.

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    I think the skaters would be too wore out to do a team competition then focus for a singles competition. Stick with tradition.

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