Help for FS-watching newbie
I'm relatively new to watching figure skating - I've only really followed the season this year. The only MK program I remember is Bolero. I don't remember any of Yagudin's program. I only know Meditation from '02 Olys from Berezhnaya and Sikharulidze (did I get the names right?). I would really like to know more about past skaters - the good ones and interesting ones at least.
Since it's off-season, I was wondering if you guys could help me with my figure skating viewing education by suggesting, hmm, say, 5 definitive, must-see programs from the ladies', men's and pairs' discipline (I'm not an ice dance fan) since 1988? Or should I just watch all of the Olympic gold medal winning performances since 1988?
I just thought I'd ask here first before I blunder through youtube videos, given my limited internet time. Then maybe from your suggestions I'd look at related videos and work from there.
Thanks so much in advance!
L'art pour l'art
I will do men, it's my favourite discipline.
Off the ice
cvg16, who are your current favorites? That might help direct people's recs. Anyway, I don't know about definitive programs, but here are some I like/admire from the past.
Yagudin's 2002 programs - Winter and Man in the Iron Mask. What can I say, they're classics. I prefer the Euros version of Winter.
2002 Euros also had a great SP from Alexander Abt.
B/S - Lady Caliph. This was their SP in 2002, and had CoP been in effect, their lead going into the LP would have been huge. One of the best pairs programs ever. And here's City Lights, as performed at the 2000 CoR.
Lu Chen - I love her Last Emperor program, with which she won 1995 Worlds. Thanks to TripleAxel1996 (who's uploaded loads of great FS clips), there's a really high quality video on Youtube.
Irina Slutskaya's LP at 2005 Worlds didn't have the best choreo ever, but it was an amazing performance, on home ice, after coming back from a very serious illness that kept her off the ice for a year.
By now you probably know that Brian Joubert likes The Matrix. Here's his first big event with the original program, 2004 Euros (he won).
Sometimes Carolina Kostner does come through with a great performance. Her 2007 Worlds SP was beautiful.
I'm not a huge fan of the Zhangs, but you have to admire her for finishing the LP at the Olympics in 2006. The judges got a bit over-excited, too.
Shen/Zhao - are amazing and they're coming back! Their most recent performance was the 2007 Worlds LP. They won.
Last edited by Buttercup; 06-24-2009 at 12:57 PM.
Nice choices, Medusa and Buttercup
Watching the top few from each Olympics is also a good plan, but not everyone managed to peak at the Olympics.
Here's a selection from the ladies' side
Yamaguchi (Olympic short program is more definitive IMO)
Last edited by gkelly; 06-24-2009 at 12:48 PM.
very cool list!. ive just finished watching the programs. thank you so much!
Originally Posted by Medusa
is stephane supposed to be a zebra? a tiger? a sunburned zebra? i loved urmanov's and browning's line in their jumps, very tight and straight in the air. i liked yagudin's straight line step sequence (i don't see anything that fast and crisp lately, i think), lambiels spins and the personality and attempt at character/personality in browning's program.
Off the ice
Stephane is supposed to be a zebra seeing snow for the first time, according to a recent interview.
Originally Posted by cvg16
so far, i lean towards skaters with ballet-ic lines or people either so theatric and/or athletic, they could make me forget a few ugly lines here or there. i like asada, takahashi, kozuka, zhang, nagasu, cohen, shen and zhao.
Originally Posted by Buttercup
thanks for your suggestions!
Gadfly and Bon Vivant
My advice is as much as possible just look at the feet (the one on the ice in spirals and spins) and forget about the rest. Sooner or later your peripheral vision will widen and you'll be able to take in the skater's whole body and you'll also have a much better idea of why skaters are placed as they usually are.
But remember the feet are where it's at.
leave no stone unturned
Eville Eastern Bloc Poster
why from 88 on? what's wrong with skaters like John Curry, Toller Cranston, Robin Cousins, Scott Hamilton, Katarina Witt, Janet Lynn or Torvill and Dean? (to name a very small few)
certainly skaters that follow after (such as Browning, Boitano, Wylie, G&G, Bourne & Kraatz, Yamaguchi, as well as Kwan and the current crop) were and are amazing, but don't make the most common mistake newbies to the sport make and throw away decades worth of amazing skating. That still - in my opinion - rivals anything we've seen in the last 10 years (at least!)
*and yes I know I listed mainly my favorites they are the first that come to mind...
Last edited by Tonichelle; 06-25-2009 at 02:06 AM.
Rooting for the divas with Kwanford
That can be very hard advice if you're mostly watching on TV or Youtube! It's amazing what they choose to focus on sometimes.
Originally Posted by Mafke
You should send this message to the TV stations.
pour atteindre l'inaccessible étoile!
many say that in ice dance you must "create the character" and not just dance a waltz or a romantic story. honestly, Delobel and schoenfelder are the only ones to me that really "push the envolope" in innovation, creativy, conceptuality:
Flight of the dove (carneval) the masks : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zd7QKSHBUJs
Bonnie and Clyde, the guns: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWh7MgpPNQ8
The Piano, sign language: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NDBF2yUKnk
....unless you want the usual "fierce" latin romances, the cheezy tosca, or the bland war time love story....
Oh, I see. My approach is slightly wrong then. I barely look at the skaters' feet and I mostly just focus on the body lines. I'll try it your way for the next few videos. Thanks!
Originally Posted by Mafke
I actually just randomly set a 2-decade limit. I need a few years to catch up, I think. I can barely keep skaters' names straight in my head as it is. Although I will check out the names you listed. Katarina Witt seems interesting when I saw her story on the Bio channel. Thanks!
Originally Posted by Tonichelle
Last edited by Tonichelle; 06-25-2009 at 01:45 AM.
Reason: please use the multiquote feature in the future :) thanks