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    Quote Originally Posted by nymkfan51 View Post
    We'll try not to bother the rest of you.
    But we won't try very hard. Michelle for President!

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    Thumbs up

    I am very happy for her, wish her all the luck in her new career.
    Look forward to seeing more of her as an ambassador.
    you alway was for the sport of figure skating. our greatest ambassador.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nymkfan51 View Post
    How did you know months in advance? Maybe you meant to say you thought you knew?
    And yes, for some of us less intelligent folks, this news still does have it's effects. We'll try not to bother the rest of you.
    Wow, overreaction much? No one EVER said that anyone was "less intelligent".

    MK gave no indications whatsoever that she was SERIOUSLY considering a comeback, especially with the acceptance to grad school. So I (and apparently other folks as well) came to the conclusion that she wouldn't be competing. After reading this topic on many forums, I definitely know I wasn't alone in this thinking. Of course her fans would hold out that slimmer of hope even if deep down they expected this news, and hearing it officially truly means it's over, so I can understand their reaction.

    Back to the "real" topic at hand, I just think the choice of words in this announcement is interesting. It simply said she wouldn't compete this season- it didn't say she was retiring from competitive skating. Having missed 2010, she would be 33 come 2014, which is simply unheard of in the skating world. Yet, the quotes from her give me the impression that she has truly moved on (or is in the process of doing so).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Dog View Post
    Wow, overreaction much? No one EVER said that anyone was "less intelligent".

    MK gave no indications whatsoever that she was SERIOUSLY considering a comeback, especially with the acceptance to grad school. So I (and apparently other folks as well) came to the conclusion that she wouldn't be competing.
    No Red Dog, I was not overreacting. At least be honest about what you posted. You said most of us "knew" she wouldn't compete this year and insinuated those of us who did think it was a possibility were clearly in the dark about the facts. And for your information, yes, there was a definite indication from Michelle and her agent that she WAS seriously considering a comeback, and was in fact training hard on that front.
    So you go ahead and think whatever you want about people like me. I no longer care.

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    I applaud Kwan for her intelligence. Of all the potential returnees her chances were the lowest of all. A comeback from her could have ended in nothing more than disaester. I dont mean that as a knock against Michelle but just too many realistic factors against her:

    -29 years old

    -hip surgery for a hip that was giving her trouble since 2001

    -different scoring system to the one she had virtually all her success with and grew up skating in for so many years. Dont get me wrong, if this scoring system was around since mid the mid 90s I think Kwan would have done quite well still but totally different to abrutply adapt your skating to it near the end of your career.

    -She was on a steady decline in the rankings and in the judges eyes it seemed since the 2003 Worlds

    -Obviously the fact she hasnt really competed since the 2005 Worlds and some cheesefest just after Worlds.


    So I applaud Kwan for making the intelligent and wise decision, and not chasing after an at this point delusional fantasy of the elusive Olympic Gold (her chances to win gold this time around would have been about on par with say Elena Liashenko in years past if she somehow even made the team). I am already predicting some of the actual returnees will wish they were smarter like Kwan in knowing when their time was up.

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    A master's in international affairs from Tufts. Good for you, Michelle. I think Michelle will continue to do great things, just in a different arena.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nymkfan51 View Post
    You said most of us "knew" she wouldn't compete this year and insinuated those of us who did think it was a possibility were clearly in the dark about the facts.
    I said:

    Most of us knew this months in advance but it appears the "official" announcement will still have its effects.
    Expanding on that statement: Whether it's being 99% sure or whether it was simply a gut instinct, I bet even many of her big fans figured she wasn't coming back. Of course, this doesn't mean they didn't hold out some hope for her return, which would partially explain why there is disappointment being expressed over this announcement. That's it.


    And for your information, yes, there was a definite indication from Michelle and her agent that she WAS seriously considering a comeback, and was in fact training hard on that front.
    Again being honest, I don't remember such an indication. all I remember is that she was trying to get back in shape by skating, and that she was attempting to get some jumps back. No mention of the Olympics except by eager reporters.

    In any case, I believe she made the right decision. The Tufts degree will do a lot more for her in the long run than a return to the scrutiny that is the Olympics imo.
    Last edited by R.D.; 08-01-2009 at 03:49 PM.

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    I'm not going to argue with you Red Dog. Ya know ... after reading the various boards today I am actually glad she decided not to come back. Who needs this nonsense anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nymkfan51 View Post
    I'm not going to argue with you Red Dog. Ya know ... after reading the various boards today I am actually glad she decided not to come back. Who needs this nonsense anyway.
    something we can both agree on.

    I really don't want another board war.

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    I don't think any of us can really know just how serious Michelle was attempting a comeback, or not. Her answers regarding her future plans were, as they had tended to be post SLC, vague and open to interpretation. I personally thought she was giving it a real shot, seeing what she could do, especially after witnessing 2009 Worlds 1st handed. I always believed Michelle was a true, fierce competitor first and foremost, that she loved skating and she loved performing in front of the audience, but she loved competing to win more. I knew she wouldn't be satisfied with just appearing at the Olympics unless she felt she had an honest shot at Gold, or at least the podium.

    Michelle, you have been a huge inspiration and role model to many of us, whether we ever laced up a skate or not. The journey you shared with us, starting with the little jumping bean taking the world by a storm, and as you matured into a lovely, passionate skater who moved countless of people to tears, you always made us proud. I look forward to your future successes as you embark on this new chapter of your life. Thank you for the memories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nymkfan51 View Post
    No Red Dog, I was not overreacting. At least be honest about what you posted. You said most of us "knew" she wouldn't compete this year and insinuated those of us who did think it was a possibility were clearly in the dark about the facts. And for your information, yes, there was a definite indication from Michelle and her agent that she WAS seriously considering a comeback, and was in fact training hard on that front.
    So you go ahead and think whatever you want about people like me. I no longer care.
    I wouldn't worry about it. Most posters who are antiKwan stay quiet. Other antiKwan fans can't help putting anything about her down the drain. Remember such posters and ignore them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Dog View Post
    Again being honest, I don't remember such an indication. all I remember is that she was trying to get back in shape by skating, and that she was attempting to get some jumps back. No mention of the Olympics except by eager reporters.
    Don't go into history, RD.
    http://www.ifsmagazine.com/forum/ind...?showtopic=691
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...032300682.html
    http://www.usfsa.org/Story.asp?id=43317 (2nd paragraph)
    http://www.cbc.ca/sports/amateur/sto...kwan-2010.html (last paragraph)
    The point is, you guessed well - you didn't know she wasn't coming back, because she didn't know hersel. Unless you think there is a giant Kwan-encouraged media conspiracy and only you are smart enough to see through it. Really - why would she hold a news conference to announce she wouldn't compete unless she had previously encouraged people to think she would?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spun Silver View Post
    Don't go into history, RD.
    http://www.ifsmagazine.com/forum/ind...?showtopic=691
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...032300682.html
    http://www.usfsa.org/Story.asp?id=43317 (2nd paragraph)
    http://www.cbc.ca/sports/amateur/sto...kwan-2010.html (last paragraph)
    The point is, you guessed well - you didn't know she wasn't coming back, because she didn't know hersel. Unless you think there is a giant Kwan-encouraged media conspiracy and only you are smart enough to see through it. Really - why would she hold a news conference to announce she wouldn't compete unless she had previously encouraged people to think she would?
    Your giving him fodder to carry on his distaste for Kwan. Who needs it? Only he and others who can't stand Kwan need it. Let the Kwaniacs lament the loss of what they thought was a Return. Why make such an issue of it? she's not returning and the antiKwans should feel happy.

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    I never seriously thought she would return. She had little to gain, much to lose. As one who still laments the disappointment of Nagano and Salt Lake City, I longed to see her compete again. For me, she will forever be the face of the post-Tanya/Nancy golden age of skating.

    But, there will be another golden age of skating once/if the IJS is sufficiently refined. We must believe it to be true if our beloved sport is to continue.

    The next golden age will be one without Michelle Kwan on the ice. She will move on to a future that, I suspect, will be as storied as was her life in skating. A career in elected office seems inevitable. Popularity and name recognition go a long way in politics, and now she will add an impressive graduate degree to her already astonishing resume.

    Head rules heart. This seems a wise decision on her part.

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    I'm not going to argue over this non-issue...instead, I'll accept the news and move onto the next topic.
    Last edited by R.D.; 08-01-2009 at 08:42 PM.

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