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Buttercup

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I'm sure his phenomenal spins, footwork, and program components were the reason for his higher score, not his jump content. He likely got positive GOE for the clean 2Axel and 3flip too.
A fall on the 4T means -4.8 GOE, no second jump on the combo and -1 off the total. That is a massive loss of points. A 2A, no matter how high the GOE, is also a hit in terms of the scoring. I don't care how good the rest of it is, or that it's an early season event; that score with those jumps is ludicrous, even for a skater of Stephane's talent.
 

Medusa

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A fall on the 4T means -4.8 GOE, no second jump on the combo and -1 off the total. That is a massive loss of points. A 2A, no matter how high the GOE, is also a hit in terms of the scoring. I don't care how good the rest of it is, or that it's an early season event; that score with those jumps is ludicrous, even for a skater of Stephane's talent.
It was kind of expected though, he got similar scores at the Grand Prix events in 2007 for really really bad skates. Not that it is right though, and I would hate it if he won Europeans or an Olympic medal in front of e.g. a clean Brian Joubert, only because the ISU is (rightly) madly in love with him.
 

museksk8r

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It was kind of expected though, he got similar scores at the Grand Prix events in 2007 for really really bad skates. Not that it is right though, and I would hate it if he won Europeans or an Olympic medal in front of e.g. a clean Brian Joubert, only because the ISU is (rightly) madly in love with him.

I think these scores more than anything for Stephane is a "welcome back!" from the judges. No matter the state of his jumps, there's no denying that Lambiel brings an elevated quality and difficulty in terms of spins, footwork, and program components when looking at the performance as a whole compared to many of the other skaters, particularly here at the Nebelhorn Trophy where there are no other BIG name skaters.
 
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Medusa

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ISU result page Men's SP

1 Stephane LAMBIEL SUI 77.45 38.10 40.35 7.95 7.80 8.05 8.20 8.35 1.00 #26
2 Michal BREZINA CZE 73.23 39.88 33.35 6.65 6.15 6.75 6.85 6.95 0.00 #5
3 Ryan BRADLEY USA 68.18 37.08 32.10 6.65 5.95 6.50 6.40 6.60 1.00 #32
4 Joey RUSSELL CAN 67.80 35.80 32.00 6.50 6.10 6.30 6.50 6.60 0.00 #6
5 Ivan TRETIAKOV RUS 67.05 38.50 28.55 5.95 5.35 5.80 5.80 5.65 0.00 #29
6 Viktor PFEIFER AUT 65.32 35.02 30.30 6.15 5.80 6.05 6.10 6.20 0.00 #14
7 Akio SASAKI JPN 64.30 32.10 32.20 6.30 6.10 6.60 6.50 6.70 0.00 #33
8 Stefan LINDEMANN GER 63.95 33.10 30.85 6.45 5.70 6.05 6.30 6.35 0.00 #24
9 Song Chol RI PRK 60.41 35.56 24.85 5.55 4.65 5.00 4.85 4.80 0.00 #20
10 Ari-Pekka NURMENKARI FIN 57.68 31.38 26.30 5.60 4.95 5.25 5.25 5.25 0.00 #3
11 Anton KOVALEVSKI UKR 57.23 29.08 29.15 6.05 5.55 5.75 5.85 5.95 1.00 #30
12 Maciej CIEPLUCHA POL 56.35 31.10 26.25 5.45 5.05 5.30 5.25 5.20 1.00 #23
13 Yannick PONSERO FRA 55.50 22.40 34.10 7.00 6.40 6.55 7.00 7.15 1.00 #10
14 Alexandr KAZAKOV BLR 55.38 31.08 25.30 5.35 4.90 4.90 5.15 5.00 1.00 #19
15 Zoltan KELEMEN ROU 54.49 30.84 23.65 4.85 4.35 4.80 4.80 4.85 0.00 #22
16 Peter REITMAYER SVK 54.45 29.90 26.55 5.55 5.00 5.25 5.30 5.45 2.00 #18
17 Min-Seok KIM KOR 54.19 30.44 24.75 5.30 4.45 5.15 4.95 4.90 1.00 #11
18 Jialiang WU CHN 51.23 26.08 26.15 5.80 5.00 5.05 5.20 5.10 1.00 #28
19 Viktor ROMANENKOV EST 51.00 27.50 23.50 4.90 4.35 4.75 4.80 4.70 0.00 #25
20 Kevin ALVES BRA 50.82 28.42 22.40 4.55 4.00 4.65 4.60 4.60 0.00 #31
21 Matthew PARR GBR 49.16 26.96 23.20 4.85 4.35 4.60 4.75 4.65 1.00 #12
22 Boris MARTINEC CRO 46.63 24.98 21.65 4.45 3.95 4.35 4.40 4.50 0.00 #16
23 Gregor URBAS SLO 46.59 21.94 24.65 5.15 4.70 4.90 4.95 4.95 0.00 #9
24 Tigran VARDANJAN HUN 46.49 23.44 24.05 4.80 4.50 4.75 4.95 5.05 1.00 #8
25 Maxim SHIPOV ISR 45.89 24.04 22.85 4.85 4.35 4.55 4.55 4.55 1.00 #13
26 Kutay ERYOLDAS TUR 45.32 23.72 21.60 4.35 4.00 4.30 4.45 4.50 0.00 #21
27 Stephen Li-Chung KUO TPE 43.00 22.40 21.60 4.55 4.05 4.40 4.35 4.25 1.00 #27
28 Luis HERNANDEZ MEX 37.64 17.64 22.00 4.80 4.10 4.20 4.35 4.55 2.00 #17
29 Justin PIETERSEN RSA 36.81 19.26 18.55 3.85 3.35 3.80 3.85 3.70 1.00 #15
30 Pierre BALIAN ARM 35.68 17.88 17.80 3.75 3.20 3.70 3.65 3.50 0.00 #2
31 Robert MCNAMARA AUS 34.96 15.46 19.50 4.20 3.50 4.00 4.00 3.80 0.00 #7
32 Damjan OSTOJIC BIH 32.70 15.60 18.10 3.90 3.05 3.55 3.85 3.75 1.00 #1

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The fat skaters are major players, the underlined ones are the ones fighting for Olympic spots.

That doesn't look too bad. 40 on PCS for Stéphane, that is what Chan gets, too.

If you ask me - Ponsero got a much bigger present. 34 PCS with a TES of 22 points!
 
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Buttercup

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That doesn't look too bad. 40 on PCS for Stéphane, that is what Chan gets, too.
That's actually not true. Patrick Chan's best PCS in an SP - ever - was 38.60, and that was at 2009 4CC, where by all accounts he skated very well (though maybe not as well as his score indicates). When Chan is overmarked, it's usually the GOEs were the judges show their appreciation. 38 TES with a quad-fall, a 2A and a 3F (why not a 3Lz?) is, um, interesting.

Does anyone know how Brezina did? That's a very good score for him.
 

luvsasha

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Well, for many (even judges) Lamibel is simply LOVE no matter how bad he skates :love:

So nice to see him back!
 

Wicked

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I think we will only see a 3A out of Stéphane Lambiel when he absolutely has to. I don't know if he needs it for this competition. The costume...sigh. I guess some things never change.
 

life684

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Lambiel's score is a welcome back gift from ISU, they just wanted the score to high enough to make him serious contender for Europeans and Olympics. I seriously hope Lambiel at least get a senior grand prix event.

Scores does not matter a lot as the the contender for Olympics qualifying spots are too far behind, so there should no he was robbed argument.

As for costume, I hope he is not taking any fashion tips from Tarasova.
 

Medusa

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Another photo.

I love, love, loooove the costume. I can't help it. But then again, I also love historical movies and the costumes in them.

NZZ-article In German, of course but with another photo..

Le Matin (in French).

tsr.ch with another photo (French news outlet).

Oh, the Swiss-German article says that the Quad was completely rotated. He apparently hit a perfect 4-3 in the warm-up.
 
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museksk8r

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Another photo.

I love, love, loooove the costume. I can't help it. But then again, I also love historical movies and the costumes in them.

I love the costume too . . . he certainly looks the part. His choreography must have some crossbow motions involved, I would suspect. Can't wait for the video to surface! :love:
 

SamuraiKike

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Well I think Lambiel has officially joined Plushenko in the "mega star power= outrageously scored" club. No matter if half of their programs are lackluster (for Evgeni transitions for Stephane jumps) they will still get "we bow to your feet" PCS from the judges.

With that being said. Stephane needs a lot more if he wants this comeback to be suceesful, he can not always rely on PCs to medal at Vancouver. 77 is not a podium contender score in my book. He' still a 3axel-less skater and that will be crucial. He didnt master the jump during his whole career, I doubt he will do it in a few months. I hope he proves me wrong though.
 

snowflake

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Medusa, thanks for the overview #90.
So North Korea(PRK) might have a figure skater in Vancouver. Strange to watch his bio. Just training 4 hours a week(?) and such a decent score. Anyone saw him skating? good jumps maybe?


NZZ-article In German, of course but with another photo..

I long to see the Fanfarenstoss? What is it, some sort of spin?
 

Medusa

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I long to see the Fanfarenstoss? What is it, some sort of spin?
Ahh, I can't explain it. Fanfare is the same word in English, my dictionary says. And when the fanfare begins, that's the Fanfarenstoß (that's how it would be written in German-German, the NZZ writes Swiss-German). In this case I think the author meant it as a metaphor, because Stéphane begins something new, a new project and this was the impressive start of it.
 

ae9177

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Well I think Lambiel has officially joined Plushenko in the "mega star power= outrageously scored" club. No matter if half of their programs are lackluster (for Evgeni transitions for Stephane jumps) they will still get "we bow to your feet" PCS from the judges.

Actually it's PCS+GOE. GOE seems to be the new approach for the judges to send out free gifts to the skaters they want to hold up. The 38 TES for a SP with no 3A (isn't that a required element for men?), no combo jump (another required element) and a fall means that he's given +3 GOE on pretty much all non-jump elements. :bow: Poor Joub can never catch up with Lambiel and Plushy unless he can successfully pull off 3 quads.
And this could be a breakthrough season for Michal Brezina. :yes:
 

Hsuhs

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Well I think Lambiel has officially joined Plushenko in the "mega star power= outrageously scored" club. No matter if half of their programs are lackluster (for Evgeni transitions for Stephane jumps) they will still get "we bow to your feet" PCS from the judges.

I so picture the Olys podium with Gold - Plushenko (again), Silver - Lambiel (again) and the 3rd overrated skater with a bronze - Chan (because Buttle is retired). ;)
 

Medusa

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Savchenko / Szolkowy crushed the pairs field with over 72 points. Zero mistakes in the program.

Tatiana and Stanislav have 59 points and are in second.

Someone posted the protocol of Stéphane's program at the Lambiel forum.
 
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museksk8r

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The 38 TES for a SP with no 3A (isn't that a required element for men?)

It's not required for a man to do a 3Axel in the SP. Obviously, it's preferred to do a triple to be the most competitive, but it's not mandatory that the Axel be a triple. A double (3.50 base) is acceptable, but a loss of 4.70 base value points from the triple (8.20 base).
 
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