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    Quote Originally Posted by life684 View Post
    you have objections to Judges from SSR's and also judges from France and Holland, so what is your solution?. More judges from US; say from Alaska, North Carolina or New york to balance it out Or Judges from India or Kenya, who are yet to see snow or ice rink.
    4 judges from 4 US states and 4 judges from 4 Canadian provinces would be fine. Why do we need Kenya and India?

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    Quote Originally Posted by life684 View Post
    Jasmine Alexandra COSTA From Estonia, that for me sounds more Portuguese.
    I've thought of that, too. Maybe her parents are Portuguese (?). It would be so cool to have a Portuguese descendent skater! It would be even more cool if Portugal were part of the ISU!


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    Quote Originally Posted by MikiAndoFan#1 View Post
    I've thought of that, too. Maybe her parents are Portuguese (?). It would be so cool to have a Portuguese descendent skater! It would be even more cool if Portugal were part of the ISU!
    Oi! Stéphane is also of Portuguese descent. So this skater wouldn't be the first one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    Oi! Stéphane is also of Portuguese descent. So this skater wouldn't be the first one.
    Olá, Medusa!That is so cool! Especially becasue it's Stéphane! Are you Portuguese?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikiAndoFan#1 View Post
    I've thought of that, too. Maybe her parents are Portuguese (?). It would be so cool to have a Portuguese descendent skater! It would be even more cool if Portugal were part of the ISU!


    Jonathan Guererro, the russian ice dancer is part Portuguese as well. I hope to see some athletes representing Portugal as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikiAndoFan#1 View Post
    Olá, Medusa!That is so cool! Especially becasue it's Stéphane! Are you Portuguese?
    Nope. I am German. Or better: a European mutt with a German passport.

    Stéphane's mother is from Portugal, Stéphane often goes on holiday there. His father is Swiss.

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    1 Wenjing SUI / Cong HAN CHN 50.67 30.27 20.40 5.07 4.96 5.07 5.21 5.18 0.00 #1
    2 Ksenia STOLBOVA / Fedor KLIMOV RUS 49.52 28.77 20.75 5.25 4.86 5.25 5.36 5.21 0.00 #9
    3 Yue ZHANG / Lei WANG CHN 49.33 29.24 20.09 5.36 4.64 5.11 5.11 4.89 0.00 #3
    4 Duo CHENG / Yu GAO CHN 46.47 27.21 19.26 5.11 4.57 4.89 4.79 4.71 0.00 #7
    5 Ksenia OZEROVA / Alexander ENBERT RUS 45.72 27.07 19.65 5.07 4.64 4.93 5.04 4.89 1.00 #14
    6 Maddison BIRD / Raymond SCHULTZ CAN 45.41 25.64 19.77 4.96 4.68 5.11 5.00 4.96 0.00 #5
    7 Kaleigh HOLE / Adam JOHNSON CAN 45.26 26.15 19.11 4.89 4.54 4.79 4.93 4.75 0.00 #6
    8 Alexandra VASILIEVA / Yuri SHEVCHUK RUS 44.28 26.51 18.77 4.96 4.50 4.54 4.82 4.64 1.00 #4
    9 Kristen TIKEL / Ian BEHARRY CAN 41.06 23.86 17.20 4.50 4.04 4.29 4.43 4.25 0.00 #2
    10 Brynn CARMAN / AJ REISS USA 39.58 22.93 16.65 4.29 4.00 4.14 4.18 4.21 0.00 #11
    11 Natalja ZABIJAKO / Sergei MUHHIN EST 35.95 22.63 14.32 3.79 3.46 3.54 3.61 3.50 1.00 #13
    12 Rie AOI / Wen Xiong GUO HKG 33.58 19.64 14.94 4.00 3.57 3.71 3.75 3.64 1.00 #8
    13 Catherine CLEMENT / James HUNT GBR 33.33 19.65 13.68 3.50 3.29 3.46 3.46 3.39 0.00 #12
    14 Marylie JORG / Benjamin KOENDERINK NED 32.06 18.61 14.45 3.75 3.39 3.61 3.68 3.64 1.00 #10

    Sui/han are great pair to watch, probably future Olympic and World medalist, Ozerova/enbert seems to have had a fall.


    It looks like China vs Russia vs Canada battle, with these three teams taking the top nine positions.

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    Yeah, the petite Wenjing SUI / Cong HAN are doing so well! A recap of their SP.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjXEmAWes0E

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikiAndoFan#1 View Post
    I've thought of that, too. Maybe her parents are Portuguese (?). It would be so cool to have a Portuguese descendent skater! It would be even more cool if Portugal were part of the ISU!

    Portugal was an ISU member ^^ but was excluded in 2004 or 2005, like Cyprus and Singapore (but Singapore were readmitted), because of an inactive federation.
    Only ISU skater was Giovanna Almeida Leto, born in Italy, she was at World Juniors in early 2000s.

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    Yay for Sui/Han! And they skated first in the first group too-- good for them. Their long program to Chaplin is simply enchanting, hope it goes well!
    Last edited by cornell08; 09-24-2009 at 03:58 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucky Star View Post
    Yuki NISHINO JPN: 24,62+20,06=44,68 (3-2 bad landing after first jump, so she didn't do second; didn't do spirals)
    What? Why didn't she do her spirals? And I'm even more curious to know what she did in the however many seconds that the choreographer allocated to spirals...

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    For an idea of what the Chinese pairs are skating to this season (including a Sept 23rd clip of Shen/Zhao):

    http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=...fs&view=videos

    Saw vids of the 3rd and 4th place Chinese teams-- not impressed, especially by the girls. Wenjing is in a league of her own
    Last edited by cornell08; 09-24-2009 at 04:14 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SerpentineSteps View Post
    What? Why didn't she do her spirals? And I'm even more curious to know what she did in the however many seconds that the choreographer allocated to spirals...
    Well, I'm not sure but people who watched this say that she had mistake at the beginning of her spirals and just couldn't continue so she had level 1 for it and -GOE... You can see judges scores for top 6 here:
    http://radikal.ru/F/i036.radikal.ru/...5d700.jpg.html
    http://radikal.ru/F/i017.radikal.ru/...666df.jpg.html
    http://radikal.ru/F/i076.radikal.ru/...56186.jpg.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by life684 View Post
    you have objections to Judges from SSR's and also judges from France and Holland, so what is your solution?. More judges from US; say from Alaska, North Carolina or New york to balance it out Or Judges from India or Kenya, who are yet to see snow or ice rink.
    The only objection I have is to the presence of 4 former SSRs on the same panel. There is no reason why one particular region should have this much power on a judging panel.

    I also do not like to see a panel composed entirely of European judges.

    At the Nebelhorn, there is no US judge on the Men, Pairs and Ice Dance panels, and a Canadian judge only on the Pairs panel (the composition of the Ladies panel won't be known until tomorrow).

    The Nebelhorn Ice Dance panel has FOUR judges from former SSRs, one from China, one from Australia, two from eastern Europe and one from Western Europe. It just seems as if one region of the world is determined to make all decisions about ice dancing. Of course, the head of the techical committee comes from that same region, so is able to engineer ice dance panels no matter what the competition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckm View Post
    At the Nebelhorn, there is no US judge on the Men, Pairs and Ice Dance panels, and a Canadian judge only on the Pairs panel (the composition of the Ladies panel won't be known until tomorrow).

    The Nebelhorn Ice Dance panel has FOUR judges from former SSRs, one from China, one from Australia, two from eastern Europe and one from Western Europe. It just seems as if one region of the world is determined to make all decisions about ice dancing. Of course, the head of the techical committee comes from that same region, so is able to engineer ice dance panels no matter what the competition.
    I see - that's why a US-American couple is currently leading the ice-dance competition at Nebelhorn with, let's see, 14 points or something like that? Thanks for the useful explanation.

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