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ISU JGP Minsk, Belarus 23 - 27 Sept, 2009

Medusa

Record Breaker
Joined
Jan 6, 2007
Olá, Medusa!That is so cool! Especially becasue it's Stéphane! Are you Portuguese?
Nope. I am German. Or better: a European mutt with a German passport.

Stéphane's mother is from Portugal, Stéphane often goes on holiday there. His father is Swiss.
 

life684

Final Flight
Joined
Nov 8, 2007
Pairs SP
1 Wenjing SUI / Cong HAN CHN 50.67 30.27 20.40 5.07 4.96 5.07 5.21 5.18 0.00 #1
2 Ksenia STOLBOVA / Fedor KLIMOV RUS 49.52 28.77 20.75 5.25 4.86 5.25 5.36 5.21 0.00 #9
3 Yue ZHANG / Lei WANG CHN 49.33 29.24 20.09 5.36 4.64 5.11 5.11 4.89 0.00 #3
4 Duo CHENG / Yu GAO CHN 46.47 27.21 19.26 5.11 4.57 4.89 4.79 4.71 0.00 #7
5 Ksenia OZEROVA / Alexander ENBERT RUS 45.72 27.07 19.65 5.07 4.64 4.93 5.04 4.89 1.00 #14
6 Maddison BIRD / Raymond SCHULTZ CAN 45.41 25.64 19.77 4.96 4.68 5.11 5.00 4.96 0.00 #5
7 Kaleigh HOLE / Adam JOHNSON CAN 45.26 26.15 19.11 4.89 4.54 4.79 4.93 4.75 0.00 #6
8 Alexandra VASILIEVA / Yuri SHEVCHUK RUS 44.28 26.51 18.77 4.96 4.50 4.54 4.82 4.64 1.00 #4
9 Kristen TIKEL / Ian BEHARRY CAN 41.06 23.86 17.20 4.50 4.04 4.29 4.43 4.25 0.00 #2
10 Brynn CARMAN / AJ REISS USA 39.58 22.93 16.65 4.29 4.00 4.14 4.18 4.21 0.00 #11
11 Natalja ZABIJAKO / Sergei MUHHIN EST 35.95 22.63 14.32 3.79 3.46 3.54 3.61 3.50 1.00 #13
12 Rie AOI / Wen Xiong GUO HKG 33.58 19.64 14.94 4.00 3.57 3.71 3.75 3.64 1.00 #8
13 Catherine CLEMENT / James HUNT GBR 33.33 19.65 13.68 3.50 3.29 3.46 3.46 3.39 0.00 #12
14 Marylie JORG / Benjamin KOENDERINK NED 32.06 18.61 14.45 3.75 3.39 3.61 3.68 3.64 1.00 #10

Sui/han are great pair to watch, probably future Olympic and World medalist, Ozerova/enbert seems to have had a fall.


It looks like China vs Russia vs Canada battle, with these three teams taking the top nine positions.
 

Nirti

Medalist
Joined
Nov 24, 2008
I've thought of that, too. Maybe her parents are Portuguese (?). It would be so cool to have a Portuguese descendent skater! It would be even more cool if Portugal were part of the ISU!

:no:

Portugal was an ISU member ^^ but was excluded in 2004 or 2005, like Cyprus and Singapore (but Singapore were readmitted), because of an inactive federation.
Only ISU skater was Giovanna Almeida Leto, born in Italy, she was at World Juniors in early 2000s.
 

cornell08

Final Flight
Joined
May 10, 2009
Yay for Sui/Han! And they skated first in the first group too-- good for them. Their long program to Chaplin is simply enchanting, hope it goes well!
 
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SerpentineSteps

On the Ice
Joined
Aug 18, 2009
Yuki NISHINO JPN: 24,62+20,06=44,68 (3-2 bad landing after first jump, so she didn't do second; didn't do spirals)

What? Why didn't she do her spirals? And I'm even more curious to know what she did in the however many seconds that the choreographer allocated to spirals...
 

Lucky Star

Final Flight
Joined
Feb 27, 2009
What? Why didn't she do her spirals? And I'm even more curious to know what she did in the however many seconds that the choreographer allocated to spirals...

Well, I'm not sure but people who watched this say that she had mistake at the beginning of her spirals and just couldn't continue so she had level 1 for it and -GOE... You can see judges scores for top 6 here:
http://radikal.ru/F/i036.radikal.ru/0909/bd/d7e00dd5d700.jpg.html
http://radikal.ru/F/i017.radikal.ru/0909/90/06d48fa666df.jpg.html
http://radikal.ru/F/i076.radikal.ru/0909/c6/1a5446a56186.jpg.html
 

chuckm

Record Breaker
Joined
Aug 31, 2003
Country
United-States
you have objections to Judges from SSR's and also judges from France and Holland, so what is your solution?. More judges from US; say from Alaska, North Carolina or New york to balance it out Or Judges from India or Kenya, who are yet to see snow or ice rink.

The only objection I have is to the presence of 4 former SSRs on the same panel. There is no reason why one particular region should have this much power on a judging panel.

I also do not like to see a panel composed entirely of European judges.

At the Nebelhorn, there is no US judge on the Men, Pairs and Ice Dance panels, and a Canadian judge only on the Pairs panel (the composition of the Ladies panel won't be known until tomorrow).

The Nebelhorn Ice Dance panel has FOUR judges from former SSRs, one from China, one from Australia, two from eastern Europe and one from Western Europe. It just seems as if one region of the world is determined to make all decisions about ice dancing. Of course, the head of the techical committee comes from that same region, so is able to engineer ice dance panels no matter what the competition.
 

Medusa

Record Breaker
Joined
Jan 6, 2007
At the Nebelhorn, there is no US judge on the Men, Pairs and Ice Dance panels, and a Canadian judge only on the Pairs panel (the composition of the Ladies panel won't be known until tomorrow).

The Nebelhorn Ice Dance panel has FOUR judges from former SSRs, one from China, one from Australia, two from eastern Europe and one from Western Europe. It just seems as if one region of the world is determined to make all decisions about ice dancing. Of course, the head of the techical committee comes from that same region, so is able to engineer ice dance panels no matter what the competition.
I see - that's why a US-American couple is currently leading the ice-dance competition at Nebelhorn with, let's see, 14 points or something like that? Thanks for the useful explanation.
 

chuckm

Record Breaker
Joined
Aug 31, 2003
Country
United-States
I see - that's why a US-American couple is currently leading the ice-dance competition at Nebelhorn with, let's see, 14 points or something like that? Thanks for the useful explanation.

That couple happened to finish 4th at 2009 Worlds, and it was assumed that they would win this competition by a wide margin. Their closest competitors, the Zaretskis, were 13th at Worlds, and the big point difference after the OD between the two is entirely expected.

That has nothing to do with the subject, which is stacking panels so they are overwhelmingly one-sided. I would object just as much to a panel that was composed of mostly Asian and non-NA, non-European judges (eg. CHN, JPN, TPE, KOR, AUS, RSA). IMO, the ideal panel would be balanced and an attempt made to ensure that no one area is over-represented.
 

Tonichelle

Idita-Rock-n-Roll
Record Breaker
Joined
Jun 27, 2003
US; say from Alaska.

according to most citizens of the US, Alaska is not part of the US(aka not a state, can't count the number of times I've been asked what the price of wildride is in US dollars... ummmmm) ... and most of us would prefer it that way anymore :rofl: not only that it wouldn't work, because we were once a Russian territory, so we're naturally biased towards Russia :rofl:

but other than that - why not alaska?
 

Buttercup

Record Breaker
Joined
Mar 25, 2008
That couple happened to finish 4th at 2009 Worlds, and it was assumed that they would win this competition by a wide margin. Their closest competitors, the Zaretskis, were 13th at Worlds, and the big point difference after the OD between the two is entirely expected.
No, I don't think it should be. A point difference is certainly to be expected, but the Zaretskis aren't as mediocre as you suggest (and at 2008 Worlds, they were 9th to D/W's 6th, so what does that prove? Nothing). Let's see the FD and how the scoring pans out; I've read that D/W's FD is, let's see, currently in need of refinement?

2009 Worlds podiums: Russian, US, Canadian (dance - followed by a second US team and a French team); German, Chinese, Russian (pairs); US, Canada, France (men); South Korea, Canada, Japan (ladies). Oh, those evil Eastern European judges. How dare they. And before anyone gets started, there was no great Canadian conspiracy, either.

There are only two NA countries, and, as anyone who has watched Eurovision voting knows, there are considerably more in Europe, many of them with a communist past (do you think that necessarily endears Russia to them?). If you have several such judges on a panel, it's reflects geography and the luck of the draw, not some vast wuzrobbing conspiracy.
 
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MissIzzy

Final Flight
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Dec 26, 2006
2009 Worlds podiums: Russian, US, Canadian (dance - followed by a second US team and a French team)

And that the Americans were given that much was so obviously proof that the judges don't shut them out, even though there's a good argument Tanith and Ben should've won, and even if they shouldn't have, Meryl and Charlie should. Have. Won. That. Bronze. Sorry, but what happened to Meryl and Charlie alone makes this a bad example.
Though certainly Routhier and Sacke-Lacelle and Tibbets and Brubaker seem to be doing okay after the OD, ahead of the Ukrainians. But hey, why shouldn't they be? The Russians are still winning, and this isn't the most significant of events anyway.
 

Buttercup

Record Breaker
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Mar 25, 2008
Sorry, but what happened to Meryl and Charlie alone makes this a bad example.
Yes, poor Meryl and Charlie, cruelly pushed off the podium by the Russians. I mean, the Canadians. Oh, never mind, Canadians are the new Russians anyway.

This has nothing to do with the JGP in Minsk, so I'll drop the discussion. But the argument that NA skaters are being deprived of medals due to Eastern European politicking is silly and not very convincing. As though politics are limited to federations on one side to the Atlantic.
 
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Alicja

On the Ice
Joined
Jan 17, 2009
^^ If there's german judge on the panel, conspiracy-theory-lovers should certainly try to find a biography of him/her to figure out whether he/she is from the former GDR. Very important for Eastern block politicking..... Sorry, I couldn't resist :biggrin:
 

life684

Final Flight
Joined
Nov 8, 2007
Has anyone seen the competition or bickering is just looking at the names of the judges. The discussion here seems to suggest that in a fair world North American skater should win no matter what; Even fairer world athletes from USA should win gold and well, Canadians cans have silver and Bronze medals.

Whole topic of Was robbed is over used to such extent that one automatically expect some one to use it when Russians or Europeans win the title (especially when N.Americans have sniffing chance of the medal). Only problem now is even if some one is actually robbed it will still look more like smear campaign.
 

life684

Final Flight
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Nov 8, 2007
according to most citizens of the US, Alaska is not part of the US(aka not a state, can't count the number of times I've been asked what the price of wildride is in US dollars... ummmmm) ... and most of us would prefer it that way anymore :rofl: not only that it wouldn't work, because we were once a Russian territory, so we're naturally biased towards Russia :rofl:

but other than that - why not alaska?

That could be objectionable to some section of skating fans. Another region once part of Soviet Union or Russia :no:
 

enlight78

Medalist
Joined
Nov 2, 2005
Junior Men - Short Program

Result Details

1 Artur GACHINSKI RUS 61.01 33.47 27.54 5.61 5.11 5.68 5.50 5.64 0.00 #11
2 Stanislav KOVALEV RUS 59.75 32.74 27.01 5.43 5.11 5.54 5.32 5.61 0.00 #18
3 Liam FIRUS CAN 55.65 30.15 25.50 5.14 4.93 5.14 5.18 5.11 0.00 #12
4 Nan SONG CHN 55.52 30.27 25.25 5.29 4.86 4.96 5.07 5.07 0.00 #4
5 Jiaxing LIU CHN 52.10 28.12 23.98 5.00 4.54 4.79 4.79 4.86 0.00 #1
6 Dmitri IGNATENKO UKR 50.63 28.45 22.18 4.68 4.18 4.50 4.50 4.32 0.00 #14
7 Alexander ZAHRADNICEK USA 49.53 24.17 25.36 5.14 4.86 5.11 5.11 5.14 0.00 #13
8 Eliot HALVERSON USA 48.23 22.22 27.01 5.29 5.29 5.46 5.36 5.61 1.00 #20
9 Ryuichi KIHARA JPN 46.42 23.39 24.03 5.00 4.57 4.89 4.71 4.86 1.00 #10
10 Romain PONSART FRA 46.37 22.37 24.00 4.82 4.54 4.96 4.79 4.89 0.00 #19
11 Kamil BIALAS POL 46.36 24.44 21.92 4.39 4.14 4.46 4.39 4.54 0.00 #5
12 Paul FENTZ GER 44.75 21.43 23.32 4.75 4.36 4.75 4.71 4.75 0.00 #15
13 Abzal RAKIMGALIEV KAZ 41.69 22.38 21.31 4.39 3.96 4.43 4.14 4.39 2.00 #2
14 Slavik HAYRAPETYAN ARM 41.43 20.43 21.00 4.00 3.86 4.39 4.39 4.36 0.00 #8
15 Alexei MIALIONKHIN BLR 39.56 19.74 19.82 4.21 3.79 4.00 4.00 3.82 0.00 #21
16 Harry MATTICK GBR 37.38 17.28 21.10 4.18 3.93 4.21 4.21 4.57 1.00 #9
17 Dmitri KAGIROV BLR 36.52 16.83 20.69 4.36 3.93 4.29 4.07 4.04 1.00 #17
18 Vlad IONESCU ROU 34.03 16.91 17.12 3.54 3.18 3.61 3.50 3.29 0.00 #22
19 Pavel IGNATENKO BLR 31.60 15.60 18.00 3.93 3.36 3.64 3.61 3.46 2.00 #16
20 Engin Ali ARTAN TUR 30.90 16.50 15.40 3.25 2.79 3.11 3.11 3.14 1.00 #7
21 Girts JEKABSONS LAT 26.12 11.55 14.57 3.11 2.75 2.96 3.00 2.75 0.00 #6
22 Samuel KOPPEL EST 24.30 10.34 14.96 3.07 2.79 3.07 3.07 2.96 1.00 #3

Junior Ice Dance - Original Dance

Folk / Country Dance

Result Details

1 Ksenia MONKO / Kirill KHALIAVIN RUS 54.65 29.23 25.42 6.79 6.50 6.58 6.75 6.79 0.00 #13
2 Rachel TIBBETTS / Collin BRUBAKER USA 47.67 25.65 22.02 5.96 5.58 5.88 5.79 5.79 0.00 #15
3 Karen ROUTHIER / Eric SAUCKE-LACELLE CAN 46.35 24.89 21.46 5.63 5.58 5.67 5.58 5.75 0.00 #10
4 Alisa AGAFONOVA / Dmitri DUN UKR 46.27 23.64 23.63 6.00 6.04 6.13 6.50 6.42 1.00 #11
5 Maria POPKOVA / Viktor KOVALENKO UZB 43.73 25.03 18.70 4.79 4.67 5.00 5.08 5.08 0.00 #9
6 Tatiana BATURINTSEVA / Ivan VOLOBUIEV RUS 42.49 22.36 21.13 5.58 5.42 5.54 5.63 5.63 1.00 #14
7 Anastasia CANNUSCIO / Colin MCMANUS USA 42.21 23.40 18.81 4.88 4.83 4.92 5.04 5.08 0.00 #12
8 Xueting GUAN / Meng WANG CHN 39.98 22.27 17.71 4.83 4.42 4.58 4.75 4.71 0.00 #17
9 Nicole ORFORD / Malcolm Rohon O'HALLORAN CAN 38.48 22.40 16.08 4.17 4.04 4.21 4.33 4.38 0.00 #3
10 Tiffany ZAHORSKI / Alexis MIART FRA 37.49 20.18 17.31 4.58 4.33 4.46 4.67 4.71 0.00 #16
11 Viktoria KAVALEVA / Yirii BIELIAIEV BLR 36.84 21.26 15.58 4.04 3.92 4.13 4.33 4.13 0.00 #8
12 Roxane BATTU / Amaury MALLET FRA 32.82 20.60 14.22 3.75 3.63 3.67 3.88 3.79 2.00 #7
13 Ksenia PECHERKINA / Aleksander JAKUSHIN LAT 32.53 18.46 14.07 3.79 3.54 3.75 3.75 3.71 0.00 #6
14 Sophie JONES / Richard SHARPE GBR 31.57 17.93 13.64 3.63 3.38 3.79 3.71 3.54 0.00 #2
15 Emili ARM / Rodion BOGDANOV EST 28.08 15.93 12.15 3.25 3.08 3.21 3.38 3.13 0.00 #5
16 Veronika SHINKEVICH / Vladislav ABRAMOV BLR 27.36 15.51 11.85 3.21 2.96 3.13 3.38 3.00 0.00 #1
17 Karina LASHUK / Vladimir KISLIAKOV BLR 26.66 16.47 11.19 2.75 2.83 3.00 3.21 3.00 1.00 #4

Junior Ice Dance

Result

FPl. Name Nation Points CD OD FD
1 Ksenia MONKO / Kirill KHALIAVIN RUS
88.39 1 1
2 Karen ROUTHIER / Eric SAUCKE-LACELLE CAN
78.26 2 3
3 Rachel TIBBETTS / Collin BRUBAKER USA
77.83 4 2
4 Alisa AGAFONOVA / Dmitri DUN UKR
76.49 3 4
5 Tatiana BATURINTSEVA / Ivan VOLOBUIEV RUS
72.50 5 6
6 Anastasia CANNUSCIO / Colin MCMANUS USA
69.69 6 7
7 Maria POPKOVA / Viktor KOVALENKO UZB
69.05 8 5
8 Xueting GUAN / Meng WANG CHN
66.34 7 8
9 Tiffany ZAHORSKI / Alexis MIART FRA
61.84 9 10
10 Nicole ORFORD / Malcolm Rohon O'HALLORAN CAN
61.57 11 9
11 Viktoria KAVALEVA / Yirii BIELIAIEV BLR
61.04 10 11
12 Roxane BATTU / Amaury MALLET FRA
55.84 12 12
13 Ksenia PECHERKINA / Aleksander JAKUSHIN LAT
53.81 14 13
14 Sophie JONES / Richard SHARPE GBR
52.14 15 14
15 Veronika SHINKEVICH / Vladislav ABRAMOV BLR
49.25 13 16
16 Emili ARM / Rodion BOGDANOV EST
48.02 16 15
17 Karina LASHUK / Vladimir KISLIAKOV BLR
45.44 17 17

I thought Eliot would have did a lot better; oh well here comes the russian domination; They have a good chance of taking all the disciplines.
 
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