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    Competitive vs Recreational

    It's for fun, people, geeze!:sheesh:
    Do any of you skate recreationally? It seems like on most of these boards the posters are all competitive skaters, (ie. take lessons, tests, compete.) I am in a kind of "strange" position because I am an adult "recreational" skater (do not take lessons, don't want to test or compete), who is too advanced to skate sessions (can land doubles) because it gets dangerous so I need to skate the freestyle practice sessions....however, I don't bother joining club, USFS or taking lessons. (I took plenty of lessons years ago on roller.) Anyways....because I skate for fun, I skate my way....that is, I wrap my jumps. I have flat landings. (Big deal. I do this for fun people.) Also, I don't bother with ice edges, MITF etc. Only need open mohawk and forward 3 for jump set ups so those are the only turns I am concerned with. Only interested in jumping and jump spins. No desire to practice anything else. Why should I? It's for fun. Yes, I only want to jump. Yes, I skate choppy and do not "flow" on the ice but WHO CARES??? It's for fun, and jumping is what I enjoy doing....
    I am very careful of the other skaters and always give right of way to anyone who competes....HOWEVER.....
    The competitive skaters/coaches make snarly remarks. (Sometimes to my face. Usually to my back.) And I hear them.
    Why does my having fun bother them? One adult skater (competitive) noted with a smile that if all I wanted to do was jump I could just buy a trampoline and put it in the backyard. It would be cheaper.....cute.....:sheesh: (No, she was not trying to "help.") Maybe the coaches are disappointed that I'm not paying for lessons....(probably)... ...But why do they have to do this? Do any other recreational skaters (if there are any on this board) have this problem?
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    To be honest the only piece of advice i would have is ignore any comments that those people make and continue to have fun doing your own thing.

    It is a waste of time and energy trying to reason with people who do not agree with what you do so short of ignoring them there is very little that you can achieve by engaging them and persuading them to not care about what you're doing.

    In all honesty i suspect a lot of the back chat you're hearing may well be coming from a good place, like perhaps the coaches longing to work with you to "clean up" your technique which might result in improvements like higher/longer jumps etc (maybe even squeaking out triples??). It's clear from what you say that you have a lot of raw talent from the roller experience you have so it is probably very likely tht the coaches would want to work with such a talented adult.

    If you were to have any interest in seeking more formal coaching then it might be worth talking hypothetically through with a prospective coach. The coach/student relationship is very different as an adult to the one you will have experienced as a child. As an adult paying for their own coaching you can dictate whatever it is you want from your coach. You could approach a coach and explain that you only wish to work on jumps/spin and nothing else and see where this takes you - it could be that one short lesson a week/fortnight might benefit the skills you enjoy doing. If not, then simply block out everyone else and just enjoy the fun you are clearly already having

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    Thanks, Ant.

    I feel better now. Just got upset yesterday. Overheard a remark. Don't think the coach in question ment for me to hear it, but I did. It was kind of mean......

    Anyways, you are right. Best to ignore it. ("Sticks and stones"...) Probably just being oversensitive....:boohoo:

    Just seems sometimes the competitive skaters forget I am a "rec" skater since I am skating on "their turf" (freestyle practice session), so to speak.

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    Just a question - how is it that you are able to skate during a club's freestyle sessions without being a member of the club or the US Association? I would think this situation causes all lot of liability issues, or am I mistaken? I know here in Canada this would bring up a lot of liability issues. Just curious!

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    In Illinois, most of the FS time is Open and run by the rinks not the club. If the OPs situation is similar, this would explain how they could skate on a FS session.

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    I couldn't have said it better than Antmanb. If you get tired of doing the same old thing and want to learn some new tricks or do your jumps better, you can always ask for a few lessons from one of the coaches there, but in the meantime, try to understand that these poor coaches probably just can't help themselves. . . Skating tends to attract obsessive, perfectionist, achiever types, and you aren't like that, even though you are good enough to land doubles. That makes you quite the anomaly on a freestyle session and I'm sure it confuses the coaches to no end!

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    Quote Originally Posted by i love to skate View Post
    Just a question - how is it that you are able to skate during a club's freestyle sessions without being a member of the club or the US Association? I would think this situation causes all lot of liability issues, or am I mistaken? I know here in Canada this would bring up a lot of liability issues. Just curious!
    I am from Canada too and yes, we do have drop in sessions here as well ( least is BC). One does not have to be a club member. However, it is up to the recreational or drop in skater to observe good manners while on the ice and stay out of the "serious" skaters way. I used to find a corner and practice on my own.

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    It would be great if you can post something on the web. You shouldn't have any trouble with the rink if your dad takes the camera. I always see people taking pictures/video at the public sessions so they must usually allow it. Not sure about setting up a camera though....I did it at the roller rink (for this video), but they were not as strict as ice and it was a practice session. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KENo51j6Byc
    Sorry, only have inline stuff up now. Got to get some ice footage.:o

    For backwards crossovers... Yes, you are correct. For back clockwise crossovers it is right inside edge over left back outside edge. But crossovers go in both directions. So for back counter-clockwise crossovers it would be reversed (left back inside edge over right back outside edge).

    Keep practicing your landing edge. Good balance is a must. Interesting that you like forward takeoffs. (Most people are scared of them since you can "slip" off the edge more easily than on the back takeoffs.)

    I know how you feel about being "old." I just turned 40 and I feel really old. In a sport where a 25 year-old is considered a "grandmother," I am now beyond old. I think I may officially be a ..... vampyre.

    Anyways, it is great to have you on the board. And remember to use the bubblewrap!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ladskater View Post
    I am from Canada too and yes, we do have drop in sessions here as well ( least is BC). One does not have to be a club member. However, it is up to the recreational or drop in skater to observe good manners while on the ice and stay out of the "serious" skaters way. I used to find a corner and practice on my own.
    Yes of course they don't need to be a member of the club. However, they need to have a Skate Canada number in order to skate on any Skate Canada Club run ice.

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    Do any of you skate recreationally? It seems like on most of these boards the posters are all competitive skaters, (ie. take lessons, tests, compete.) I am in a kind of "strange" position because I am an adult "recreational" skater (do not take lessons, don't want to test or compete), who is too advanced to skate sessions (can land doubles) because it gets dangerous so I need to skate the freestyle practice sessions....however, I don't bother joining club, USFS or taking lessons. (I took plenty of lessons years ago on roller.) Anyways....because I skate for fun, I skate my way....that is, I wrap my jumps. I have flat landings. (Big deal. I do this for fun people.) Also, I don't bother with ice edges, MITF etc. Only need open mohawk and forward 3 for jump set ups so those are the only turns I am concerned with. Only interested in jumping and jump spins. No desire to practice anything else. Why should I? It's for fun. Yes, I only want to jump. Yes, I skate choppy and do not "flow" on the ice but WHO CARES??? It's for fun, and jumping is what I enjoy doing....

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    Actually, the rink I'm talking about is not really "club" ice. It is a complex with several rinks (main focus is hockey, but it runs figure skating sessions on one rink all day). Anyone who can pay is allowed on for figure skating. You don't have to have a club or a USFS card. (Think I might have filled out a sheet with my health insurance info, but that's it.)
    Do you usually have to have a culb/card to be allowed on freestyle ice? Was planning to take a trip up to Lake Placid sometime in the spring with hubby. (He is going fishing with friends up there.) Was hoping to stop by the Olympic rink and do a "walk on." Can't do that without a card? Would love to skate there!! (Even just once.)
    Was hoping to avoid joining a club. (Trying to avoid paying club dues/USFS card fee. Since I will never test/compete, it seems like a waste.) But if it is the only way to skate on practice ice.....Don't most clubs allow visitors to "walk on"? Do they have to show a USFS card or ISI card? Isn't a health insurance card good enough?

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    Well I get the impression that it is run differently than it is in the States but here the figure skating sessions are run by the club as the club is the one who books the ice. In order to skate with the club you must register with them through Skate Canada. Some clubs do allow you to do drop in sessions where you have to be registered with another club as you provide your Skate Canada number, your personal info (health number, emergency contact, etc), and you provide them with a cheque or cash.

    If the ice is run by the complex who are the coaches employed by? In order to coach don't you need to be registered through the National Federation and hired by a club?

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    Quote Originally Posted by i love to skate View Post
    If the ice is run by the complex who are the coaches employed by? In order to coach don't you need to be registered through the National Federation and hired by a club?
    It varies.

    Around here, rinks hire coaches directly to teach group lessons.
    Coaches who teach private lessons on rink-run freestyle sessions are independent contractors who pay a fee to each rink where they teach for the privilege of teaching on those sessions.
    To teach on club sessions (of which there are few), they need to be approved to do so by the club's board of directors.

    I'm not sure how the insurance works for each of those situations, but pretty much all the coaches would be members of the PSA and have insurance through that membership. Most rinks run some sort of independent background check.

    To teach on club sessions, our club requires coaches to be US Figure Skating members and to have gone through the "greenlighting" process (background check). This greenlighting is also required for coaches to be credentialed at USFS events.

    There are some lower-level coaches who teach only group classes and lower-level private lessons on public sessions and rink freestyles. They might be members of ISI and prepare their private students for ISI testing and competition but have nothing to do with the USFS. They don't teach on club sessions or bring their skaters to club test sessions and competitions. When and if those skaters want to move up to participate in USFS programs, they would probably need to switch coaches.

    Different clubs may handle things differently, especially in areas where the rinks don't offer freestyle or dance sessions directly to the public and all figure skating ice time is contracted through the local club.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gkelly View Post
    It varies.

    Around here, rinks hire coaches directly to teach group lessons.
    Coaches who teach private lessons on rink-run freestyle sessions are independent contractors who pay a fee to each rink where they teach for the privilege of teaching on those sessions.
    To teach on club sessions (of which there are few), they need to be approved to do so by the club's board of directors.

    I'm not sure how the insurance works for each of those situations, but pretty much all the coaches would be members of the PSA and have insurance through that membership. Most rinks run some sort of independent background check.

    To teach on club sessions, our club requires coaches to be US Figure Skating members and to have gone through the "greenlighting" process (background check). This greenlighting is also required for coaches to be credentialed at USFS events.

    There are some lower-level coaches who teach only group classes and lower-level private lessons on public sessions and rink freestyles. They might be members of ISI and prepare their private students for ISI testing and competition but have nothing to do with the USFS. They don't teach on club sessions or bring their skaters to club test sessions and competitions. When and if those skaters want to move up to participate in USFS programs, they would probably need to switch coaches.

    Different clubs may handle things differently, especially in areas where the rinks don't offer freestyle or dance sessions directly to the public and all figure skating ice time is contracted through the local club.
    Thanks for the reply! I had no idea that there were such differences between Canada and the US in this regard. Here there are a few learn to skate programs that are run by the city governments or independent organizations who hire their own coaches. The majority are for kids who wish to learn to skate before participating in hockey. These programs do not teach figure skating though.

    Most kids who are learning to skate do go through CanSkate and the coaches have to take accredited courses through the NCCP to get certified and be able to teach this. I assume green lighting is a Criminal Check and Child Abuse Check? Also, forgive my ignorance but what is ISI? I have never heard of it before. It's very interesting to learn how other countries are run!
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