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    In the protocols for the FD, the Shibutanis have two elements that were not awarded any points. I know one of them is the optional lift, but what's Sp+TRANS and why was it given 0.00?

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    Quote Originally Posted by liketotally View Post
    In the protocols for the FD, the Shibutanis have two elements that were not awarded any points. I know one of them is the optional lift, but what's Sp+TRANS and why was it given 0.00?
    I'm confused by this as well. It seems like their final spin didn't receive any points?
    Not sure what TRANS means, either (transitions/linking footwork? Not sure why that wouldn't be part of the PCS, though).
    What's even more baffling is that that element wasn't even included on the Lake Placid protocol. :/
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    Quote Originally Posted by ~tapdancer View Post
    Convincing win for the Shibutanis! Seems like they are going to win everything in sight this season. How many more seasons are they juniors?
    I would assume this is their last junior season. Maia will be of age for senior Worlds next year, so they should be moving up. I guess they didn't want to butt in there this Olympic season. They have plenty of time to develop in the next Olympic cycle.

    When is the ladies long? Online feed anywhere?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 100yen View Post
    I'm confused by this as well. It seems like their final spin didn't receive any points?
    In addition to having an optional, additional lift, dance teams can also have extra twizzles and another spin. Only the first one is called and given a score by the tech panel. The 2nd spin would be considered a transitional element.

    Not sure what TRANS means, either (transitions/linking footwork? Not sure why that wouldn't be part of the PCS, though).
    It is transitional and the judges do take it into consideration when marking PCS.

    What's even more baffling is that that element wasn't even included on the Lake Placid protocol.
    Each tech caller is a little different. Whoever was at Lake Placid just didn't call it as a transitional element, but the judges would still treat it the same way (as part of the PCS).

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    I am waiting on the Ladies results. It has to be done by now...
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeCygne View Post
    I would assume this is their last junior season. Maia will be of age for senior Worlds next year, so they should be moving up.
    I wouldn't be surprised to see them move up to Senior nationally next year, but I think they may stay Juniors internationally. Typically, that's how USFS teams do it. The current teams on the GP circuit include Belbin/Agosto, Chock/Zuerlein, Davis/White, Summersett/Gilles, Navarro/Bommentre, Hubbell/Hubbell, Samuelson/Bates.

    If they moved up to Senior internationally next year, they'd either have to medal again at this years Junior worlds or be in the top 24 of the ISU world standings list. That would guarantee them 1 GP event. The US has an additional spot for Skate America that they can assign to anyone. For this year, that spot went to Chock/Zuerlein. It's really going to depend on where everyone ends up at the end of the season and if any teams decide to retire after the Olympics. They definitely have some options though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ks777 View Post
    I am waiting on the Ladies results. It has to be done by now...
    Ladies free results:

    1 Kanako MURAKAMI JPN 95.18 46.19 49.99 6.54 5.89 6.32 6.25 6.25 1.00 #28
    2 Kate CHARBONNEAU CAN 86.43 42.32 44.11 5.46 5.36 5.64 5.54 5.57 0.00 #29
    3 Maria ARTEMIEVA RUS 85.09 43.71 41.38 5.39 5.00 5.18 5.18 5.11 0.00 #25
    4 Mae Berenice MEITE FRA 82.01 45.11 37.90 4.93 4.43 4.71 4.75 4.86 1.00 #23
    5 Ellie KAWAMURA USA 78.40 34.65 44.75 5.50 5.21 5.71 5.68 5.86 1.00 #26
    6 Shira WILLNER GER 77.19 43.08 34.11 4.54 3.96 4.39 4.25 4.18 0.00 #17
    7 Karolina SYKOROVA SVK 72.49 39.57 32.92 4.36 3.86 4.21 4.07 4.07 0.00 #11
    8 Rosa SHEVELEVA RUS 71.09 34.02 40.07 5.25 4.86 4.93 5.07 4.93 3.00 #27
    9 Alina FJODOROVA LAT 70.24 35.72 34.52 4.50 4.21 4.21 4.36 4.29 0.00 #20
    10 Victoria HUEBLER AUT 68.39 36.72 32.67 4.21 3.82 4.07 4.18 4.14 1.00 #13
    11 Alisa MIKONSAARI FIN 68.35 35.69 32.66 4.36 3.79 4.11 4.11 4.04 0.00 #14
    12 Min-Jung KWAK KOR 67.13 32.27 36.86 4.89 4.43 4.68 4.54 4.50 2.00 #24
    13 Johanna ALLIK EST 65.57 29.80 35.77 4.71 4.29 4.39 4.54 4.43 0.00 #22
    14 Kristine MUSADEMBA USA 64.71 26.20 40.51 5.29 4.96 4.93 5.07 5.07 2.00 #30
    15 Anne Line GJERSEM NOR 61.84 33.80 29.04 3.96 3.46 3.61 3.61 3.50 1.00 #7
    16 Angelica OLSSON SWE 59.54 28.34 35.20 4.68 4.25 4.25 4.50 4.32 4.00 #21
    17 Nika CERIC SLO 57.71 30.37 28.34 3.68 3.21 3.57 3.61 3.64 1.00 #8
    18 Marta GARCIA ESP 55.94 26.13 30.81 4.04 3.54 3.86 3.82 4.00 1.00 #12
    19 Carolin RIESENWEBER GER 55.24 25.45 30.79 4.07 3.64 3.79 3.93 3.82 1.00 #18
    20 Alina MILEVSKAIA UKR 54.42 22.38 34.04 4.46 4.07 4.32 4.14 4.29 2.00 #19
    21 Sofia BARDAKOV ISR 53.95 25.37 30.58 4.21 3.54 3.86 3.86 3.64 2.00 #15
    22 Tara BANG DEN 53.58 25.53 28.05 3.50 3.43 3.50 3.64 3.46 0.00 #4
    23 Regina BORBELY HUN 52.74 23.28 30.46 3.68 3.54 3.89 3.93 4.00 1.00 #10
    24 Mirna LIBRIC CRO 47.54 21.35 29.19 4.07 3.54 3.39 3.71 3.54 3.00 #16
    25 Ema LIPOVSCAK CRO 45.80 20.24 26.56 3.57 3.25 3.25 3.32 3.21 1.00 #9
    26 Mila PETROVIC SRB 44.99 22.65 22.34 3.07 2.57 2.75 2.79 2.79 0.00 #5
    27 Nika ZAFRAN CRO 43.78 18.42 25.36 3.18 2.89 3.25 3.32 3.21 0.00 #6
    28 Priscila ALAVEZ MEX 43.66 22.00 23.66 2.93 2.79 3.00 3.07 3.00 2.00 #3
    29 Maria TSAKIRIS GRE 39.04 17.44 23.60 3.11 2.82 3.00 2.89 2.93 2.00 #1
    30 Nastassia HRYBKO BLR 37.79 15.38 23.41 3.25 2.71 3.07 2.96 2.64 1.00 #2

    Overall:

    1 Kanako MURAKAMI JPN 154.92 1 1
    2 Kate CHARBONNEAU CAN 136.82 4 2
    3 Ellie KAWAMURA USA 131.33 3 5
    4 Maria ARTEMIEVA RUS 128.52 6 3
    5 Rosa SHEVELEVA RUS 124.13 2 8
    6 Mae Berenice MEITE FRA 122.48 11 4
    7 Shira WILLNER GER 116.49 14 6
    8 Alina FJODOROVA LAT 112.25 7 9
    9 Victoria HUEBLER AUT 108.61 13 10
    10 Kristine MUSADEMBA USA 108.43 5 14
    11 Min-Jung KWAK KOR 108.21 8 12
    12 Johanna ALLIK EST 106.39 9 13
    13 Karolina SYKOROVA SVK 105.49 20 7
    14 Alisa MIKONSAARI FIN 103.67 17 11
    15 Angelica OLSSON SWE 99.83 12 16
    16 Anne Line GJERSEM NOR 95.18 19 15
    17 Alina MILEVSKAIA UKR 95.11 10 20
    18 Carolin RIESENWEBER GER 93.61 16 19
    19 Sofia BARDAKOV ISR 93.00 15 21
    20 Nika CERIC SLO 87.68 23 17
    21 Marta GARCIA ESP 87.52 21 18
    22 Regina BORBELY HUN 82.32 24 23
    23 Mirna LIBRIC CRO 81.89 18 24
    24 Tara BANG DEN 81.15 25 22
    25 Ema LIPOVSCAK CRO 76.21 22 25
    26 Nika ZAFRAN CRO 71.05 26 27
    27 Priscila ALAVEZ MEX 68.74 29 28
    28 Mila PETROVIC SRB 65.96 30 26
    29 Nastassia HRYBKO BLR 64.66 27 30
    30 Maria TSAKIRIS GRE 64.28 28 29

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    thank you!!

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    Kristine Musademba had a really bad competition and finished 10th, this means she is out of GPFs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tammi View Post
    In addition to having an optional, additional lift, dance teams can also have extra twizzles and another spin. Only the first one is called and given a score by the tech panel. The 2nd spin would be considered a transitional element.

    It is transitional and the judges do take it into consideration when marking PCS.

    Each tech caller is a little different. Whoever was at Lake Placid just didn't call it as a transitional element, but the judges would still treat it the same way (as part of the PCS).
    Thank you so much for clearing this up, Tammi!! I understand now

    Quote Originally Posted by life684 View Post
    Kristine Musademba had a really bad competition and finished 10th, this means she is out of GPFs.
    I have to say, it's somewhat of an upset not to see her here despite her inconsistencies.

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    With Musademba bombing, it means that Anna Ovcharova (RUS) is in the JGPF.

    1 Kanako MURAKAMI JPN 15 15 S 30 1 315.77 2 199.87 104.69 115.90 60
    2 Polina SHELEPEN RUS 15 15 30 1 308.65 2 204.16 102.73 104.49 57
    3 Angela MAXWELL USA 13 13 S 26 2 272.46 2 179.06 90.54 93.40 64
    4 Ksenia MAKAROVA RUS 13 11 24 2 264.36 2 168.23 90.89 96.13 52
    5 Anna OVCHAROVA RUS 7 13 20 2 262.59 2 162.99 88.50 99.60 62

    are all in. Kiri Baga (15), Yuki Nishino (13) and Christina Gao (11) will try to qualify next week. Gao needs a medal to qualify, but Baga and Nishino will likely qualify with a top 5 finish. Ekaterina Kozireva (5th in Germany) can qualify with a win or even 2nd place, but it'll require some help from the other 3 and she'll have to outscore Ovcharova if she finishes 2nd AND the others bomb. Same goes to Jasmine Costa (EST)
    Last edited by oleada; 10-10-2009 at 01:41 PM.

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    3 russian girls are in the JGPF Congrats!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucky Star View Post
    3 russian girls are in the JGPF Congrats!
    Well...now that I've thought about it again, there's are several scenarios in which Anna Ovcharova won't make it, the most likely being:

    If the final results for Turkey are either

    1. Costa (or Kozyreva) 2. Gao 3. Nishino 4. Baga, OR
    1. Gao 2. Costa (or Kozyreva) 3. Nishino 4. Baga AND Costa/Kozyreva outscore Ocharova on the second tiebreak.


    The qualifiers would then be the following, in some order

    1 Kanako Murakami 30
    2 Polina Shelepen 30
    3 Angela Maxwell 24
    4 Ksenia Makarova 24
    5 Kiri Baga 24
    6 Christina Gao 24/26 (depending on which scenario)
    7 Yuki Nishino 24
    8 Jasmine Costa/Ekaterina Kozyreva 20/22 (depending on which scenario)
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    9 Anna Ovcharova 20, but with a lower score than Kozyreva/Costa

    None of the girls competing in Turkey are the bastions of mental fortitude (except maybe Baga, who's pretty consistent) but IMO, it's fairly unlikely that Costa or Kozyreva will outscore and outplace Anna. So she's most likely in the final.

    ETA: To qualify for the JGPF, Kozyreva and Costa would have to place top 2 and score:

    Kozyreva 144.58
    Costa 142.04
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    I guess chances are pretty slim for Kawamura to make the final then. Oh well, I'm glad she medaled here.

    Has Kiri Baga always been this good? I was really surprised to see her do so well at her last event. As last year's novice champ, she's beating all the juniors from last season.

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    Kawamura will likely be an alternate. She's got the same amount of points as Ovcharova, but Ovcharova comes out ahead on the tiebreaker, because a silver and a 5th place finish trumps a bronze and 4th place. Ovcharova also has a higher point total (262.59) than Kawamura (251.79)

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