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    Who's IN the Mens Final?

    1. Nobunari -
    2-6 will be among the following

    Jubert - no more to skate = 24

    Weir - no more to skate = 22

    If the following win bronze at SA or SC they will have the following:


    Contesti = 20

    Brezina = 22

    Lysacek = 22

    Verner = 22

    That makes 7 eligibles but we know that Lysacek and Verner are still to skate at SA and both are favorites. However, neither should fall below bronze. There are other skaters who may prevent 3rd place for either of them.

    At SC it is likely that Chan will be a Spoiler for someone as well as Abbott who can not make GPF unless if he wins, and we go to the Scores. Brezina has a good shot to make the Finals but it should be more than 22 so he needs a silver. Abbott is the key here.

    NOTE: All those who wind up at 22, we go to the Scores.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joesitz View Post
    1. Nobunari -
    2-6 will be among the following

    Jubert - no more to skate = 24

    Weir - no more to skate = 22

    If the following win bronze at SA or SC they will have the following:


    Contesti = 20

    Brezina = 22

    Lysacek = 22

    Verner = 22

    That makes 7 eligibles but we know that Lysacek and Verner are still to skate at SA and both are favorites. However, neither should fall below bronze. There are other skaters who may prevent 3rd place for either of them.

    At SC it is likely that Chan will be a Spoiler for someone as well as Abbott who can not make GPF unless if he wins, and we go to the Scores. Brezina has a good shot to make the Finals but it should be more than 22 so he needs a silver. Abbott is the key here.

    NOTE: All those who wind up at 22, we go to the Scores.

    Sorry Joe, by score i hope you also meant the best position obtained by the skater also. I think the first tie beaker is best position in any of the two gp and second breaker is combined total of the GPs.
    English is not my 1st language and it just came to me that u meant total score as 1st tie breaker, so correct me if I am wrong.

    And abbott if he wins, he will qualify as his 1st tie breaker is a 1st.
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    I have logged on several times but it seems each time I post I must fill out the Registry Sheet.


    Life - I'll try to remember what I wrote. Firstly, thank you for your post. I have the rules for breaking a tie but too lazy to get them. I just thought that in case of ties, it would just go to the sum of the total scores for each skater in the tie. Thank you again for your enlightenment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joesitz View Post
    I have logged on several times but it seems each time I post I must fill out the Registry Sheet.
    Joe, try deleting your Temporary Internet files (Internet cache). Tools -> Internet Options -> Delete All. Make sure your cookies are enabled (easiest way, just make sure your Security and Privacy settings in Tools -> Internet Options are set to "default.")

    Then when you log on to Golden Skate, be sure to check "remember me."

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    i think contesti; stephen,denis ten, chan ,brandon mroz, jeremy could really shake things up even if they dont qualify they could block others from doing it to( I will be looking at Evan; Tomas,Michal, and Daisuke)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    Joe, try deleting your Temporary Internet files (Internet cache). Tools -> Internet Options -> Delete All. Make sure your cookies are enabled (easiest way, just make sure your Security and Privacy settings in Tools -> Internet Options are set to "default.")

    Then when you log on to Golden Skate, be sure to check "remember me."
    Thank you MM. I will give it a whirle tomorrow. The Stenosis keeps me up most nights, and as dizzy as I am naturally, it makes me more dizzy.

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    Congrats to Nobunari Oda and Brian Joubert for making the GPF! Hope it's a successful season for them!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by museksk8r View Post
    Congrats to Nobunari Oda and Brian Joubert for making the GPF! Hope it's a successful season for them!!
    Nobunari!! He's peaking at the right time of his career. The olympics! Joubert is looking fine too. It's going to exciting to see who snatches the last spots.

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    And Verner throws a monkey spanner into the works

    1. If he medals, he's in the GPF. No arrangement of men from Skate Canada changes that - one may match him with 24 points, beating him via the first tiebreaker (Takahashi OR Contesti would have 1st and 4th, which beats Verner's 2nd and 3rd, but that's only one guy.).

    2. If he comes in fourth, he needs one of Contesti or Takahashi to get lower than silver. If they do, he's in. His 2nd + 4th would beat their 4th+ (<3rd). If they are the top two, then it becomes a Lysacek, Oda, Joubert, Wier, Contesti and Takahashi GPF. And if anyone predicted that at the beginning of the season, I salute you.

    3. If he comes fifth.... than things get REALLY complicated. Verner will have twenty points.

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    So, which line-ups allow Verner GPF Entry?

    I was thinking about the complicated math that would allow Verner into the GPF, and it was a lot easier if he would've placed fourth.

    Okay. So there are six men who could place in the GPF ahead of Verner at this point (I'm going for possible, not plausible), and they are: Takahashi, Abbott, Contesti, Brezina, van de Perren and Carriere. So, for Verner to make it, he needs the following.

    1. Brezina to come in at fourth or lower (2+ 5 beats out 3 + 4)
    2. Contesti and Takahashi to come in third or lower (ditto)
    3. Abbott to come in third or lower OR place second with a score of less than 215.57; van de Perren with a score 234.90 in the same boat
    4. Carriere and to lose gold.

    So basically, he's thanking his lucky stars that Chan's in the event with no chance of disrupting his GPF plans. So, possible podiums that allow him entry....

    1. Chan
    2. Carriere OR van de Perren w/ <234.90 or Abbott with <215.57
    3. Contesti OR Takahashi
    4. Brezina

    So, If one skater breaks the mold outlined and movies upwards, it's okay. Not so if two do so.

    Now, given the bizarro universe that the Grand Prix has inhabited this season, I don't want to tempt fate.
    Last edited by ImaginaryPogue; 11-14-2009 at 11:40 PM. Reason: Math fix.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImaginaryPogue View Post
    Now, given the bizarro universe that the Grand Prix has inhabited this season, I don't want to tempt fate.
    A truer statement has ne'er been said. Seriously, the entire Grand Prix series this season has been one curveball after another. I suspect that this will build up to an equally bizarre Olympic podium...which might not necessarily be a bad thing.

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    Genlemen In oe Our od the

    From my post in Skate Canada:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joesitz View Post
    From my post in Skate Canada:
    Couldn't have said it better!cool:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lightspear View Post
    Couldn't have said it better!cool:

    I am dizzy, I copied but not pasted. I'll stay by to see if this works:

    Gentlemen

    Nobi - 30
    Evan - 28
    Brian - 24
    Weir -22
    Verna - 20 may not be enough

    2 More gentlemen to be considered

    Michal - 11
    Daisuke - 9

    (Of course, Patrick may override in placements for Michal and Daisuke.)

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    30 pts - Oda Nobunari (1st, 1st)
    28 pts - Evan Lysacek (2nd, 1st)
    24 pts - Brian Joubert (4th, 1st)
    22 pts - Jeremy Abbott (5th, 1st)
    22 pts - Takahashi Daisuke (4th, 2nd - 445.49)
    22 pts - Johnny Weir (4th, 2nd - 416.25)

    This is the final list.
    3 US men!
    Last edited by magicalwords; 11-21-2009 at 06:02 PM.

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