Page 32 of 41 FirstFirst ... 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 LastLast
Results 466 to 480 of 614

Thread: Ladies LP

  1. #466
    Custom Title
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Posts
    9,455
    Daniel, I agree with you, and you bring up an interesting point. While I love Michelle's skating and always will, there are some sterling competitors out there currently, just as there were before Michelle. Janet Lynn, John Curry, and other immortals were irreplaceable, too--but that didn't diminish the excellence of skaters who came after them, such as Michelle herself, Yagudin, and Browning. There's room for all of them in the history books and in our hearts. Similarly in tennis, Sampras and Agassi were such a tremendous pair of rivals that I thought we'd never see the like of them again, and then we got Federer and Nadal. That's the nature of athletics. Though there are fallow moments in skating (I remember a "businesslike," completely uninspiring Soviet pair who were world champions just because it was their turn--I will charitably omit their names), I don't think this is one of those droughts. YuNa is truly astounding in the way she combines jumping ability with musicality, and Asada at her best is fluid, sunny, and lyrical--with a triple axel, no less! There aren't any Americans at the top right now, but I'm sure there will be soon enough. I'm perfectly happy rooting for ladies from other countries when they're this good.

  2. #467
    Custom Title
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Posts
    599
    Quote Originally Posted by Olympia View Post
    Daniel, I agree with you, and you bring up an interesting point. While I love Michelle's skating and always will, there are some sterling competitors out there currently, just as there were before Michelle. Janet Lynn, John Curry, and other immortals were irreplaceable, too--but that didn't diminish the excellence of skaters who came after them, such as Michelle herself, Yagudin, and Browning. There's room for all of them in the history books and in our hearts. Similarly in tennis, Sampras and Agassi were such a tremendous pair of rivals that I thought we'd never see the like of them again, and then we got Federer and Nadal. That's the nature of athletics. Though there are fallow moments in skating (I remember a "businesslike," completely uninspiring Soviet pair who were world champions just because it was their turn--I will charitably omit their names), I don't think this is one of those droughts. YuNa is truly astounding in the way she combines jumping ability with musicality, and Asada at her best is fluid, sunny, and lyrical--with a triple axel, no less! There aren't any Americans at the top right now, but I'm sure there will be soon enough. I'm perfectly happy rooting for ladies from other countries when they're this good.
    ITA.
    And I'm looking forward to seeing those Russian junior ladies in couple of years!

  3. #468
    Custom Title
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Posts
    160
    kim yu-na, she always get high score not deserved to her performance.
    do you guys really think her crazy high score is right?
    is there anyone who questions her score?
    is she so amazing so that she get the most highest score?

  4. #469
    Custom Title
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Posts
    311
    Quote Originally Posted by yangjie View Post
    kim yu-na, she always get high score not deserved to her performance.
    do you guys really think her crazy high score is right?
    is there anyone who questions her score?
    is she so amazing so that she get the most highest score?
    I suggest you go back to page 5 of this thread and start reading.

  5. #470
    Custom Title
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Posts
    599
    Now that everyone is talking about Michelle, Yuna, Mao, I kind of feel this is OT but I'll post it anyway.



    Quote Originally Posted by harmy18 View Post
    Are we talking about the same event the highest of Joannie's 2A was +1.6, while Yuna's was +1.8 in LA......... I'm not going to do any comparisions, I just wanna say Joannie's jumps may have potential to be higher.........
    I was saying about their worlds SP where they all do solo 2A. Joannie didn't do solo 2A in her LP.
    There Yuna got +1.2, Joannie got +1.6, and Mao got +1.8. (So I was wrong about she tied Mao in GOE.)

    Quote Originally Posted by harmy18 View Post
    Aren't we talking about LA? your previous example was from LA, thus I highlighted results from LA......actually Yuna's marks were not that fabulous at the beginning of last season, that's why her margins were not that high
    Again, I was talking about worlds SP.
    I brought that stats because you said this at first place:

    Quote Originally Posted by harmy18 View Post
    Joannie's good technique didn't help her gain huge +GOE, however
    Joannie's a good jumper, even though some people seem to underestimate her, and her good technique indeed helps her gain huge +GOEs.

    That was all I wanted to say on this topic.

  6. #471
    Custom Title
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Posts
    599
    Oh, by the way, is it just me or did Scott actually call Mao's flip 'lutz' today??
    So what, now she LIP?

  7. #472
    Custom Title
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Posts
    311
    Quote Originally Posted by gourry View Post
    Oh, by the way, is it just me or did Scott actually call Mao's flip 'lutz' today??
    So what, now she LIP?
    IIRC, he said "beautiful lutz"

  8. #473
    Medalist
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Posts
    89
    Quote Originally Posted by gourry View Post
    Again, I was talking about worlds SP.
    I brought that stats because you said this at first place:
    Are we really talking about the same event I'm not sure if I fully understand your posted stats, just wonder how did that 6.359 ( 11.50 ) and 5.796 ( 9.80 ) happen? 3 jumps got 6.359 and 5.796 ? would you pls elaborate?

  9. #474
    Lambiel is the best!!
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Posts
    450
    Quote Originally Posted by yangjie View Post
    kim yu-na, she always get high score not deserved to her performance.
    do you guys really think her crazy high score is right?
    is there anyone who questions her score?
    is she so amazing so that she get the most highest score?
    Yeah, doubts creep into my head also when she receives the scores she does and wins by such a huge margin, but my untrained eyes and basic skating knowledge tend to give in to the opinions of Scott Hamilton, Kurt Browning, Sandra Bezic, the British Euro commentators, and other slew of skating experts, who are spreading rumors around that yes, indeed, she is better than most.

  10. #475
    Down With It
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Location
    USA
    Posts
    13,527
    I don't think many doubt that she is better.

    But, and a big BUT, is she really THAT much better than everyone else? Supposedly the judges think so.

    Let's see what happens with Kim, whether she can keep up the momentum or whether she will fall back down to earth (or will others rise up to her?)

    Hey, maybe she'll just jump right in, win the OGM, and then retire. :chorus:

  11. #476
    Custom Title
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Posts
    599
    Quote Originally Posted by harmy18 View Post
    Are we really talking about the same event I'm not sure if I fully understand your posted stats, just wonder how did that 6.359 ( 11.50 ) and 5.796 ( 9.80 ) happen? 3 jumps got 6.359 and 5.796 ? would you pls elaborate?


    Quote Originally Posted by poorScorer View Post
    Hi I've compiled some stats from last season.
    And if you don't mind, I wanna share some with you.

    I dont know much about FS (always learning a lot from this board. thanx guys)
    but I love to deal with numbers and that's part of my day job.

    One of things I like about COP is it gives me lots of numbers.
    you know, in 6.0 there were not much to analyze. Just standings.
    Now I can divide and 'compare' element by element.
    And that's what I've done here.
    If it's ok, I wanna add stats for each element to this thread.

    So, it's the first part. ... the JUMPS

    I've compiled points for jumps of last season's international competitions.
    Subjects are 7 GP events (including final), EC, FC, and WC.
    I excluded any 'invalid' element and ladies with less than 2 events and 10 marks.
    Then I averaged points and GOEs for each ladies.
    And sorted that for ladies with higher average_point first.

    So here's the result.
    Let me explain columns (although it's pretty obvious)
    I included max points beside each average values in the brackets.

    It's just a data and if anyone of you find it interesting, that's good enough for me.
    (Sorry for my poor english)


    POINT ( max ) | GOE ( max ) | Name
    6.359 ( 11.50 ) | 0.643 ( 2.0 ) | Yu-Na KIM
    5.796 ( 9.80 ) | 0.408 ( 2.0 ) | Joannie ROCHETTE
    5.513 ( 11.30 ) | 0.192 ( 2.0 ) | Mao ASADA
    5.404 ( 9.73 ) | -0.350 ( 0.8 ) | Rachael FLATT
    5.399 ( 11.80 ) | -0.007 ( 1.4 ) | Miki ANDO
    5.258 ( 8.63 ) | -0.250 ( 1.2 ) | Alena LEONOVA
    5.110 ( 8.20 ) | -0.307 ( 0.8 ) | Akiko SUZUKI
    5.007 ( 8.30 ) | 0.144 ( 1.4 ) | Fumie SUGURI
    4.945 ( 9.50 ) | -0.505 ( 0.2 ) | Caroline ZHANG
    4.894 ( 9.60 ) | 0.237 ( 1.6 ) | Laura LEPISTO
    4.729 ( 8.50 ) | -0.308 ( 1.0 ) | Nina PETUSHKOVA
    4.647 ( 8.28 ) | -0.057 ( 1.0 ) | Yukari NAKANO
    4.622 ( 8.60 ) | -0.434 ( 1.0 ) | Amelie LACOSTE
    4.570 ( 11.30 ) | -0.477 ( 1.8 ) | Carolina KOSTNER
    POINT ( max ) | GOE ( max ) | Name
    6.359 ( 11.50 ) | 0.643 ( 2.0 ) | Yu-Na KIM
    5.796 ( 9.80 ) | 0.408 ( 2.0 ) | Joannie ROCHETTE
    5.513 ( 11.30 ) | 0.192 ( 2.0 ) | Mao ASADA

    This is about their overall jumps, not about a specific jump. Over last season.(I mentioned so when I first quoted it.)
    As you can see here, Joannie was actually the second best GOE getter last season. Wait, I just realized she is actually the second best jumper pointwise.

    You said Joannie doesn't get enough GOE, so I said that is not true and used the GOEs on their 2As from LA Worlds SP(1.2 vs. 1.6) as an example because that was the first specific thing came to my mind.(Joannie getting higher GOE on jump than Yuna was quite impressive and memorable to me.)

    Then, I quoted this stats to show Joannie is indeed a great jumper and the judges are aware of it and rewarding it more than you seem to think.

    Okay, I'm done elaborating. Hope this is crystal clear now. I feel a bit tired.
    If you visit 'Stats for ladies from 2008-2009' thread, you can see more. It's quite interesting and worth reading IMO.
    Last edited by gourry; 10-18-2009 at 11:09 PM.

  12. #477
    Lambiel is the best!!
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Posts
    450
    Quote Originally Posted by R.D. View Post
    I don't think many doubt that she is better.

    But, and a big BUT, is she really THAT much better than everyone else? Supposedly the judges think so.

    Let's see what happens with Kim, whether she can keep up the momentum or whether she will fall back down to earth (or will others rise up to her?)

    Hey, maybe she'll just jump right in, win the OGM, and then retire. :chorus:
    That's what I'm saying.
    I haven't heard any former skater or commentator (whose languages I can understand) raise questions on the margins of her victories.

    This problem will be easily solved when others rise to the occasion and make it more interesting.
    Let's hope so.

  13. #478
    Custom Title bekalc's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Posts
    3,083
    But, and a big BUT, is she really THAT much better than everyone else? Supposedly the judges think so.
    .

    Yu-na deserved to win by a very large margin based on the way the other people skated. Look, Mao had a bad competition. Her short program was a mess with that popped combo. She also got several downgrades in her long program. Mao's total score was in the 170's which is low for Mao.

    Then there is Nakano who had several jumping issues herself. It's not like Mao skated well and Kim won by 36 points. Mao lands and rotates her jumps than a lot of that 36 points is quickly erased.

    I thought Kim's PCS were a bit high in the long program. However she deserved high GOE on her jumps. And so while the score was high, it was maybe only a couple of points high.

    However, may I point out that Rochette got 63 Pcs at the Japan Open. I think that the judges are also willing to give other people high PCS if they skate well.

    Given how Mao is skating right now. We have to see how Miki and Joannie are scoring before we assume that Kim has "no challengers". Right now unless Mao and Kostner really step it up. I think that the Olympic podium is very likely to be Kim/Miki/Joannie. Mao will have difficulty beating MIki/Rochette if she continues to skate this way.
    Last edited by bekalc; 10-18-2009 at 11:06 PM.

  14. #479
    Custom Title
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Posts
    674
    Well let's hope Yuna retire after winning the OGM, so the rest of the world and figure skating can move on. I'm sick of hearing how great she is and don't want to see another Plusheko in ladies field. It's more exciting to watch when everyone is fighting for the gold.

    At least next event will be exciting to watch.

  15. #480
    Custom Title
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Posts
    151
    Quote Originally Posted by R.D. View Post
    I don't think many doubt that she is better.

    But, and a big BUT, is she really THAT much better than everyone else? Supposedly the judges think so.
    I think we found out from the protocols exactly why Yuna got the score she did, and why there was such a big difference between hers and everyone else's. To quickly summarize (what was discussed about twenty pages ago), Yuna received numerous high + GOEs for all her jumps, no DGs, and received high PCS (mostly in the low-mid 8s) for the intricate and difficult transitions she worked into the program. To the casual observer, yes, it may seem that her program is not that special, but just take a look at the entries she takes into her combinations (the 2A-2T-2L and the 2A-3T) and how everything leads seamlessly into something else. There are very few moments in the program when Yuna is simply standing and telegraphing.
    Moreover, Mao received at least three DGs (3A and 2L come to mind) and a deduction for the fall, and her PCS was mostly in the mid-high 7s; if you look at her choreo, everything around the 3As is empty, just telegraphing for about five seconds, which is exactly why I think it's such a bad idea for Mao to fixate on those, it just draws away from everything else good that she has :(

Page 32 of 41 FirstFirst ... 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •