Ladies LP

gourry · Oct 18, 2009

skate4ever said:
So are you saying that Yuna virtually has the OGM in her pocket already? I'm a big fan of hers and I think she's good, but not that good.

I don't think herios meant Olympic games.(Of course, I'm not psychic though) In my case, this TEB, I was really thrilled about the battle for silver.:yes: Could it be Yukari? Is Carolina going to bounce back strong? Go, Caroline, you can aim for bronze! ....Something like this.

And FYI, I'm not counting anybody out yet! It's just the beginning of season.

skate4ever · Oct 18, 2009

gourry said:
I'm not counting anybody out yet! It's just the beginning of season.

Exactly my point. And I'm not expecting Yuna to be completely dominant throughout the season just based on what we saw for the past two days. I think other skaters will make her work hard to achieve her goal, thereby allowing themselves decent chances at the OGM, too.

harmy18 · Oct 18, 2009

gourry said:
Um, actually that is not true. If you check the protocols, you'll see she gets many many positive GOEs on her jumps. IIRC, she got even more GOE on her 2A than Yuna and Mao at last worlds. (Not 100% sure about Mao, maybe they tied? but it's true in Yuna's case.) It was my impression that maybe Joannie is the second best GOE getter on jumps.

Are we talking about the same event:scratch: the highest of Joannie's 2A was +1.6, while Yuna's was +1.8 in LA......... I'm not going to do any comparisions, I just wanna say Joannie's jumps may have potential to be higher.........

gourry said:
The only difference I see here is that Yuna is non-American.

Her coach and her team are not only Americans, but also powerful ppl.....It would be better if she's American

Tonichelle · Oct 18, 2009

harmy18 said:
Her coach and her team are not only Americans, but also powerful ppl.....It would be better if she's American

actually her coach, Brian Orser, is Canadian... as is the rest of her team. Big difference there.

gourry · Oct 18, 2009

harmy18 said:
Are we talking about the same event:scratch: the highest of Joannie's 2A was +1.6, while Yuna's was +1.8 in LA......... I'm not going to do any comparisions, I just wanna say Joannie's jumps may have potential to be higher.........

Really? Are you sure? I'll try to check the protocols later but for now let's just take a look at this.

This is jump stats from last season compiled by poorScorer.

poorScorer said:
POINT ( max ) | GOE ( max ) | Name
6.359 ( 11.50 ) | 0.643 ( 2.0 ) | Yu-Na KIM
5.796 ( 9.80 ) | 0.408 ( 2.0 ) | Joannie ROCHETTE
5.513 ( 11.30 ) | 0.192 ( 2.0 ) | Mao ASADA
5.404 ( 9.73 ) | -0.350 ( 0.8 ) | Rachael FLATT
5.399 ( 11.80 ) | -0.007 ( 1.4 ) | Miki ANDO
5.258 ( 8.63 ) | -0.250 ( 1.2 ) | Alena LEONOVA
5.110 ( 8.20 ) | -0.307 ( 0.8 ) | Akiko SUZUKI
5.007 ( 8.30 ) | 0.144 ( 1.4 ) | Fumie SUGURI
4.945 ( 9.50 ) | -0.505 ( 0.2 ) | Caroline ZHANG
4.894 ( 9.60 ) | 0.237 ( 1.6 ) | Laura LEPISTO
4.729 ( 8.50 ) | -0.308 ( 1.0 ) | Nina PETUSHKOVA
4.647 ( 8.28 ) | -0.057 ( 1.0 ) | Yukari NAKANO
4.622 ( 8.60 ) | -0.434 ( 1.0 ) | Amelie LACOSTE
4.570 ( 11.30 ) | -0.477 ( 1.8 ) | Carolina KOSTNER
4.560 ( 8.50 ) | -0.364 ( 1.0 ) | Susanna POYKIO
4.512 ( 7.35 ) | -0.368 ( 1.0 ) | Ashley WAGNER
4.486 ( 7.00 ) | 0.300 ( 1.0 ) | Ivana REITMAYEROVA
4.469 ( 7.50 ) | -0.460 ( 1.0 ) | Candice DIDIER
4.318 ( 7.26 ) | -0.145 ( 1.0 ) | Jenna MCCORKELL
4.289 ( 8.30 ) | -0.538 ( 1.0 ) | Sarah MEIER
4.121 ( 6.80 ) | -0.180 ( 0.8 ) | Anna JURKIEWICZ
4.081 ( 7.88 ) | -0.317 ( 1.2 ) | Cynthia PHANEUF
4.042 ( 8.23 ) | -0.433 ( 1.0 ) | Alissa CZISNY
4.029 ( 9.00 ) | -0.525 ( 1.0 ) | Elena GLEBOVA
3.986 ( 7.30 ) | -0.385 ( 0.6 ) | Yan LIU
3.801 ( 6.80 ) | -0.712 ( 0.6 ) | Katarina GERBOLDT
3.794 ( 6.27 ) | -0.911 ( 0.8 ) | Beatrisa LIANG
3.762 ( 8.90 ) | -0.359 ( 0.0 ) | Mira LEUNG
3.720 ( 6.93 ) | -0.757 ( 0.6 ) | Cheltzie LEE
3.663 ( 6.80 ) | -0.564 ( 0.6 ) | Katrina HACKER
3.643 ( 6.71 ) | -0.120 ( 1.2 ) | Nana TAKEDA
3.642 ( 5.72 ) | -0.706 ( 0.0 ) | Hyeon-Jung KIM
3.530 ( 9.00 ) | -0.575 ( 1.6 ) | Elene GEDEVANISHVILI
3.508 ( 8.30 ) | -0.394 ( 0.8 ) | Binshu XU
3.498 ( 7.00 ) | -0.773 ( 0.4 ) | Na-Young KIM
3.464 ( 6.80 ) | -0.658 ( 0.0 ) | Gwendoline DIDIER
3.457 ( 6.20 ) | -0.510 ( 0.2 ) | Francesca RIO
3.441 ( 8.70 ) | -0.508 ( 0.4 ) | Viktoria HELGESSON
3.417 ( 6.40 ) | -0.318 ( 0.8 ) | Kiira KORPI
3.409 ( 7.30 ) | -0.461 ( 0.8 ) | Kimmie MEISSNER
3.401 ( 6.70 ) | -0.292 ( 0.4 ) | Teodora POSTIC
3.399 ( 9.80 ) | -0.259 ( 1.0 ) | Julia SEBESTYEN
3.341 ( 5.80 ) | -0.590 ( 0.8 ) | Anastasia GIMAZETDINOVA
3.338 ( 5.80 ) | -0.551 ( 0.0 ) | Nella SIMAOVA
3.318 ( 8.00 ) | -0.644 ( 1.2 ) | Annette DYTRT
3.286 ( 5.60 ) | -0.320 ( 0.4 ) | Karly ROBERTSON
3.262 ( 5.00 ) | -1.020 ( 0.0 ) | Manouk GIJSMAN
3.005 ( 7.70 ) | -0.602 ( 0.4 ) | Irina MOVCHAN
2.880 ( 6.38 ) | -0.743 ( 0.8 ) | Tugba KARADEMIR
2.802 ( 6.30 ) | -0.545 ( 1.4 ) | Kerstin FRANK
2.736 ( 5.80 ) | -0.635 ( 0.2 ) | Ana Cecilia CANTU
2.699 ( 6.10 ) | -0.337 ( 0.8 ) | Chaochih LIU
2.691 ( 7.30 ) | -0.505 ( 1.0 ) | Mirai NAGASU
2.616 ( 7.80 ) | -0.734 ( 0.4 ) | Emily HUGHES
2.586 ( 5.63 ) | -1.260 ( 0.2 ) | Myriane SAMSON
2.546 ( 3.87 ) | -0.372 ( 0.0 ) | Tina WANG
2.480 ( 5.90 ) | -0.843 ( 0.4 ) | Sonia LAFUENTE
2.297 ( 5.70 ) | -0.595 ( 0.4 ) | Isabelle PIEMAN
2.273 ( 5.60 ) | -0.860 ( 0.8 ) | Jenni VAHAMAA
1.875 ( 4.71 ) | -0.685 ( 0.0 ) | Yueren WANG
1.835 ( 6.00 ) | -0.544 ( 0.2 ) | Stefania BERTON
1.794 ( 4.80 ) | -0.328 ( 0.0 ) | Loretta HAMUI
1.652 ( 6.10 ) | -0.398 ( 0.0 ) | Michele CANTU
1.556 ( 5.60 ) | -0.532 ( 0.0 ) | Tamami ONO
1.484 ( 4.10 ) | -0.931 ( 0.6 ) | Gracielle Jeanne TAN

Indeed, Joannie is an excellent jumper and she is getting rewarded.:yes:

harmy18 said:
Her coach and her team are not only Americans, but also powerful ppl.....It would be better if she's American

As for Brian Orser... He is Canadian.

Of course, if you were referring to North American, then...

skate4ever · Oct 18, 2009

ehdtkqorl123 said:
Just out of curiosity, in Kwan's era, were figure skating fans this enthusiastic about the rivalry like the one between Yu-Na and Mao? Not that I am making any comparison between Kwan and Yu-Na.

We will never know because there were not many of us in the cyberspace back then. But if the Internet had been as prevalent as it is today, I'm sure there would have been many interesting comments about Michelle and Irina on the forums.

Tonichelle · Oct 18, 2009

gourry said:
As for Brian Orser... He is Canadian. Of course, if you were referring to North American, then...

even there, I don't know that Brian or his people have as much pull as the poster suggested. Their team is good but fairly new compared to, say, Frank Carrol...

shoot, Robin Wagner championed Sarah Hughes and she hasn't had much pull in her other skaters :rofl:

skate4ever said:
We will never know because there were not many of us in the cyberspace back then. But if the Internet had been as prevalent as it is today, I'm sure there would have been many interesting comments about Michelle and Irina on the forums.

the MK / Tara wars were bad enough... fans seemed to mature by the time Irina became MK's main rival... but yes there were (and still are) rabid discussion on Michelle and the skater of the year who dared challenge her.

*Sniper* · Oct 18, 2009

ehdtkqorl123 said:
Just out of curiosity, in Kwan's era, were figure skating fans this enthusiastic about the rivalry like the one between Yu-Na and Mao? Not that I am making any comparison between Kwan and Yu-Na.

Can some knowledgeable fan answer this question?
I would love to know, too.

My guess is that Michelle's fanbase (including myself) probably outnumbered the other party by a wide margin, so it was no contest.
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EDIT: Oh, there have been responses already! :biggrin:

ks777 · Oct 18, 2009

Bennett said:
Actually Yukari, Midori, and Mao, phenomenal 3A jumpers with some unconventional techniques, were all coached by Machiko Yamada. Another student, Mie Onda, also landed 3A (I just don't know if she had any technical issues though). Kanako Murakami, a fantastic shining junior star, also is coached by Machiko. She is an absolutely fantastic performer and wonderful jumper, but flutzes and has mule kick, too.

Mie Onda? You mean Yoshie Onda? She did land one but it was not ratified.
Yoshie was a high jumper but her technique wasn't all the great.

Bennett · Oct 18, 2009

ks777 said:
Mie Onda? You mean Yoshie Onda? She did land one but it was not ratified.
Yoshie was a high jumper but her technique wasn't all the great.

Oh, thanks. Yeah, that was her. I forgot how to pronounce her first name.

harmy18 · Oct 18, 2009

gourry said:
Really? Are you sure? I'll try to check the protocols later but for now let's just take a look at this.

This is jump stats from last season compiled by poorScorer.

As for Brian Orser... He is Canadian. Of course, if you were referring to North American, then...

Aren't we talking about LA? your previous example was from LA, thus I highlighted results from LA......actually Yuna's marks were not that fabulous at the beginning of last season, that's why her margins were not that high

Sure I meant NORTH AMERIAC, not U.S.

B.O. used to represent Canada, how can he become U.S. citizen

Tonichelle said:
even there, I don't know that Brian or his people have as much pull as the poster suggested. Their team is good but fairly new compared to, say, Frank Carrol...

If I were to choose, certainly B.O.
Might be that Frank is powerful, but considering the influence he exerted, B.O. won.

Bennett · Oct 18, 2009

BTW, Yuna's 3L3T scores higher than Mao's 3A2T. Perhaps Mao needs 3F3L again?

daniel1406 · Oct 18, 2009

The reason that I was disappointed

I wasn't even thrilled about this comp cuz.. I knew Yuna was gonna win after her short...
She is too perfect to be bitten ....

I hope other skaters practice more and more... otherwise.. I want ISU people send Kim to Man's comp... she would get at least bronze medal or something in even man's..

I didn't like the Kim's music.. because I compared them with her's in last season. But I realised that compared to others it's actually good. so It's all fine now...

Um.. some people didn't understand about the really high record score that Yuna got even without TF in her LP...

um.. well.. watch her video again...

the first reason is of course her perfect jumps... the use of edges, air positions and landing positions.. (I haven't seen such a perfect jump in lady's comp.. it's more than perfect actually I should say...)
and I noticed that in this season Yuna got more + cuz of other thing..
Did u notice that Yuna's skating speed was little bit slower before her jumps compare to last season?
That's because of the unique steps before her jumps and after jumps..
It's really hard to put steps or movements before or after jumps.. especially before.. cuz it could lower the speed and change the direction of skating flow.
But Yuna did it .. although normal pp (including me) were not interested in the steps before jumps... so pp could wonder that y she got record scores... but I think she deserves it. I do really.. her skating is more than skating .. that's y I love her.
I'm worrying about me having really high expectations in her skating...lol

Mao.... I loved hers.. was greater than last season actually..
I hated her coach cuz I thought she made her do 1 TA in short and 2 in her LP.
But I found out that the reason that she's doing TA's in her programs was because she wanted to....
I really don't agree with her choice..... I think that choice has been made to win Yuna Kim... But .. y does Mao hav to skate to win Yuna....
u no wat? I'm telling u .. even if Mao can't win Yuna.. that's fine. I'll still love her skatings and many people will still love her skating..
I'm sorry for Mao that it's really hard to bit Yuna...
But it doesn't matter. I do love her skating .... Mao's own skating.. but these days TA is ruining her own skating.... someone should tell her that just skate her own skating..like she did few yrs ago..
her fans doesn't care wether she's in 3rd or 4th or 5th. As long as she is showing her own skating.. we will love her.

Now her skatings r only focused on TA to win the comp.. it cuz It's ruining her other beautiful talents.. winning shouldn't be the most important thing for her.
The reason I love Mao is because she has soft skating not about jumps but the beautiful spirals and spins.. the flow of her skatings... Now I'm sad cuz I can't see that..

kyla2 · Oct 18, 2009

The Kwan Era

Michelle Kwan literally carried the sport, nationally and internationally. She had several rivalries-Lipinski, Slutskaya and Cohen. They were all at the top of their game, with many fans of their own, but the star was Michelle. Her competitors were interesting people in their own right which added to the drama, and the media stoked the rivalries. The cyberspace was buzzing far more than it is now. Fan sites and the media were obsessed with her. Books, newspapers and the internet covered her every move. She had endorsements all over the place. Yu Na Kim and Mao Asada are pale comparisons. Not even close. Michelle had true star power because of her strong and appealing personality, and her ability to engage the audience with beautifully designed programs, which she skated with passion and heart. There is no one on the scene now who comes close and consequently, skating is taking a nose dive, especially in the USA. When Michelle skated, the arenas were packed everywhere she competed. Not anymore.

dorispulaski · Oct 18, 2009

daniel1406, Welcome to Golden Skate!

daniel1406 · Oct 18, 2009

Thanks !!

ehdtkqorl123 · Oct 18, 2009

On CBC Sports, while showing Mao's LP, Kurt Browning said "Beautiful triple lutz double loop...(...).... BUT..."
But on her protocol, it was actually 3F2L.

oxade21 · Oct 18, 2009

ehdtkqorl123 said:
On CBC Sports, while showing Mao's LP, Kurt Browning said "Beautiful triple lutz double loop...(...).... BUT..."
But on her protocol, it was actually 3F2L.

LOL, even Kurt Browning can't tell which is which :laugh:

oxade21 · Oct 18, 2009

kyla2 said:
Michelle Kwan literally carried the sport, nationally and internationally. She had several rivalries-Lipinski, Slutskaya and Cohen. They were all at the top of their game, with many fans of their own, but the star was Michelle. Her competitors were interesting people in their own right which added to the drama, and the media stoked the rivalries. The cyberspace was buzzing far more than it is now. Fan sites and the media were obsessed with her. Books, newspapers and the internet covered her every move. She had endorsements all over the place. Yu Na Kim and Mao Asada are pale comparisons. Not even close. Michelle had true star power because of her strong and appealing personality, and her ability to engage the audience with beautifully designed programs, which she skated with passion and heart. There is no one on the scene now who comes close and consequently, skating is taking a nose dive, especially in the USA. When Michelle skated, the arenas were packed everywhere she competed. Not anymore.

Oh please, give me a break. Why don't you compare Kwan's endorsements in South Korea and Japan while you at that. Just because Kwan was popular in US does not mean Mao or Kim are not as popular in their own countries.

PftJump · Oct 18, 2009

ehdtkqorl123 said:
On CBC Sports, while showing Mao's LP, Kurt Browning said "Beautiful triple lutz double loop...(...).... BUT..."
But on her protocol, it was actually 3F2L.

Yeah...Mao's Flip & Lutz is very similar.
Even Japanese Station, Asahi TV couldn't distinguish it.
Yesterday, they broadcast Her 3Flip as 3Lutz (by subtitle).
But Commentator said "That is good 3Flip"
That was Funny.(Maybe They don't have a Protocol Sheet??) :rofl:

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