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bekalc

Record Breaker
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Nov 1, 2006
Wow, I just watched Yu-na's LP. Her jumps were great, but her skating was just not exciting. Her spins are slow and unpolished. I am not seeing very much improvement since last year!

I think though that some aspects of Yu-na's skating aren't noticable on the computer screen. For example Kim skates with a lot of speed. As for her spins, I doubt she got high GOE for her spins just credit for them.

I'm sure she got huge GOE for her jumps though because she had a ton of transitions going in and out of them. Someone said that's the most packed transition program from a lady since Arakawa's 2004-2005 program. And Kim actually skated it well, something Arakawa never managed to do with her program.
 

herro

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Oct 17, 2009
Everyone basically had inflated scores at worlds last year, so it's not really a good example to go by.

Also a very good point. Remember the general range of scores from worlds. It might not even be that scores are being inflated. The judging standards may have very well changed, so that the average score (if I'm phrasing this correctly) increases. There's a different "standard" every year.

At this point, yuna just needs to maintain her drive and really learn to "skate" her programs even more than she's doing now (even though she's pretty darn good right now).

I feel for Mao. Imagine how heart-broken she must feel about her latest placements. I wish her the best of luck. If no coaching change, at least some changes to her program/jump layout.

Alexe Gilles shows a lot of promise, but Caroline is a bit dry for me. I really don't like her jumps but you have to give her credit for those spins.

I hope Yukari pulls it together by the end of the season like she always does. She has a lot of potential despite her wrapped jumps. Her spins are SO centered and fast too.
 
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oleada

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Mar 27, 2007
Hopefully this is a hint for Mao to dump TAT and get back to Machiko Yamada.

Kim was good - but not as good as a WR would indicate, IMO.

Zhang was horrific. No interpretation, the jumps were awful, and she was SO SLOW! She got negative GOE for every single jump she did. If that isn't a hint, I don't know what is.
 

jaws12345

Match Penalty
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Apr 9, 2009
To me her score makes sense. It's just a simple math; at Worlds, she received 132 and change for her free even she received 1. some points for the last two elements. If she completed these two elements, which were a Salchow and and a spin, at least she would have received 6 points more than what she ended up with. Now, at this event she missed a flip but the base score of that element is less then the combined score of the two elements she missed at the Worlds. She also improved entries into and exits out of jumps. Besides, she didn't receive a high GOE for her first triple combo last season but now she changed it to 3Lz-3T and is getting +2 GOE for it. The result is a score a bit higher than the last year's record.
 
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life684

Final Flight
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Nov 8, 2007
protocols are available now and they are +2 every where on goe (including spins), technical specialist even downgraded mao's two double loops.
 

Daniel5555

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Jan 27, 2009
HCOSurfer
Everyone basically had inflated scores at worlds last year, so it's not really a good example to go by.
OK. Suppose I agree. In that case there was nothing unfair there, but maybe there is something unfair here. Let's say that Yuna deserved only 200 point at last Worlds. Still, without two elements there and considering that now she improved, doesn't she deserve 210/207 at least?

Spun Silver
Daniel, I don't think any one is being rude. Fans always question judges. (We don't have the opportunity to talk to them in person.) Judges make mistakes too. And reputation judging is real.
Well, someone is being rude here. Well, I'm rude too actually. But well, really what happens here is that Yuna got a big margin. That's the reason why so much people really are worried. She improved, she got 3 points more. And got a margin. But not because of judges, but because Mao had a quite bad SP. That's the real reason. See if Mao improves and skates better.
 

ehdtkqorl123

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Feb 6, 2009
FYI, Yu-Na is the only one among top 5 whose technical element score is higher than PCS. All the other ladies have PCS higher than technical elements.

Protocols don't lie.
 
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skate4ever

Rinkside
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Feb 15, 2009
Although I joked earlier that Mao cannot beat Yuna this season, if Mao can do all her moves right and Yuna makes a few mistakes, the score gap can close really fast. Besides, we haven't seen Miki and Joannie in competition this season yet.
 

janetfan

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May 15, 2009
It is interesting to discuss the scores - but for me, the placement is what counts.
I think the placement was right for the Ladies competition.
I think for so early in the season Yuna skated like a dream. It is obvious that the judges like what they see and that is why she is racking up the points.

I like Caroline Z but have to accept the judges are not liking aspects of her skating.

Mao did better today and it is easy to see that Tat wants drama and fireworks.
I prefer Yuna's program and to me her skating looks like the focus rather than loud music and a louder costume.
 
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Daniel5555

On the Ice
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Jan 27, 2009
Mathman
Maybe she held back on purpose because she felt sorry for the other girls and did not want to win by 50 points.
Looking at people's reaction... That makes sense.

I really hope Mao will show what she is capable of.
 

*Sniper*

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Dec 17, 2006
ina bauer into the 2-2-2
spread eagle into the 2A-3F
3Z integrated seamlessly between her footwork sequences
2A coming straight out of her second footwork sequence
FSSp straight out of the 2A

Okay, after rewatching the program and taking note of the detailed, interesting transitions that this team worked into the choreo, I understand the astronomical PCS. They really worked to develop the cohesiveness of the technicality and the artistry - upon rewatching, it's really the most interesting program I've seen.

Thanks, that helps a lot.
So I guess this program is more for the judges and experts to appreciate?
I think the casual fans like myself were looking around and asking 'so that's it?'
 

Love_Skate

Rinkside
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Mar 24, 2008
Hey Spun Silver -

If I remember correctly, yuna got no credit (0 points) for her last spin because she repeated it earlier in the program. I want to say that she had a similar spin right before the step sequence, if my memory is correct.

Can anyone verify? I'm pretty sure this is what happened.

You're right. The last spin had been a flying camel spin in the competitions before the last Worlds. But it was not in the game, which turned out to be a mistake of the team who changed it to a non-flying camel spin to reduce her back pain.
 

figurejennah

On the Ice
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Jun 27, 2009
FYI, Yu-Na is the only one among top 5 whose technical element score is higher than PCS. All the other ladies have PCS higher than technical elements.



Well-Said. :clap: I must say that the "other" skater who likes to challenge a lot always receives an enormous PCS whether she pops her jumps or falls. Now, can we stop saying that there's something suspicious about yuna's high scores? And it's really sad to spread rumors that yuna is "arrogant" when in fact you may not even know her. I said this earlier, but many people who know her have said that yuna is incredibly sweet and polite.
 

harmy18

Rinkside
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Jun 30, 2008
It was both Rachael and Yu-na. Look, maybe Yu-na's PCS were to much, but I don't think Mao deserved 60 PCS for that program either.. I think Yu-na absolutely deserved to win by the margin she won by even with the no flip. I'm willing to bet Mao had some downgrades....

If Mao didn't deserve 60+ PCS, then YUNA would certainly NOT DESERVE that 66+, :rofl: since you don't THINK Mao worth that 60+, how can you accept that 66+ PCS, wierd~~

Sure Mao had many downgrades in jumps, including loop which I looked quite good, anyway, I wished she did it better next time
 

katha

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Jan 7, 2007
Don't want to go into the judging, because I'm really not knowledgeable enough. :biggrin: But I love both of Kim's programs, costumes are top-notch as well. I thought last year's LP was stale and boring, she skated it great, sure, but there was nothing interesting about it IMO. The Gershwin program OTOH has many transitions and a very unusual, understated mood. Must say I'm pleasantly surprised, I thought she would go for the obvious spectacle and drama like last year.
 
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