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Sk8tr321

Rinkside
Joined
Aug 14, 2009
Wow, she's got a limber back! :clap: The position your daughter is doing is not really a haircutter; it is more difficult than a haircutter because she is leaned way back and holding her blade with both hands. I think it would be classified as a pearl, even though her free leg is less extended than Caroline Zhang's famous pearl position. As long as she can hold that position for 3 revolutions before pulling up to the Biellmann (technically, 2, but 3 is safer if you want them to count it as a separate position), she should be able to get another level for that. I have no doubt that her pearl would qualify as a difficult variation of a layback position based on the definition given by the ISU:
"A difficult variation is a movement of a body part, leg, arm, hand or head,
which requires more physical strength or flexibility and that has an effect on the balance of the main body core."

And once again, it's not all about the levels. You are comparing her layback spin to a level 4 sitspin (8 revs, pancake, etc) but a level 4 sitspin is not worth as many points as a level 4 layback! A LSp4 is worth 2.7 base points and a SSp4 is only worth 2.5. Your daughter can get a level 4 on her layback if she does 8 revs in layback, 3 revs side leaning, 3 revs pearl, then 3 revs Biellmann.

Thanks,

This is where it gets fuzzy for me. I agree it is harder than a hair cutter but was not sure how "the system" would count it. From what you are saying I believe it counts and may even get +GOE so she should keep at it.

I guess the bad score she received was a shock. I was definately a learning experience. I think she went 7 times around in a camel and 6 in a doughnut and 3 in a Biellmann. Really hard to do and looks really cool but got a level 2. Having a tech specialist look at her spins would certainly be the smart thing to do. So how do we find a tech specialist in NJ area?

Thanks for all the useful info. This BB is great! There are definitely a lot of knowledgeable people here.
 

mskater93

Record Breaker
Joined
Oct 22, 2005
There are a ton of TSs around - have your coach contact one (it's important that he/she be involved with the process). Either that, or look through your club's membership roster versus names on the "front sheet" from a competition
 

gkelly

Record Breaker
Joined
Jul 26, 2003
Find someone who has a directory, which comes with the hard copy of the rulebook. That lists all the technical specialists by state.

That section is not online with the rest of the rulebook, probably for privacy reasons -- it includes some home addresses and phone numbers, including for some well-known names.
 

Sk8tr321

Rinkside
Joined
Aug 14, 2009
Thanks,

I will involve her coach. He has been OK and actually suggested her going to a jump specialist so I would expect him to be on board with a tech specialist.

I had a though about why every program last week looked just about the same. It is not the system itself it is what we are doing within the system. I talked to three other parents that are doing the same thing we are doing. Also, someone on this board suggested it. Get the video and the scores and see what scores people are getting for each move, spin, etc. So now we look for things that are relatively easy to do, that get a good level and put it in the program. Also, I imagine that a coach may incorporate something that got a good level with another skater.

By the way, now that I am learning this stuff I cannot watch skating anymore without counting revolutions.
 

sk8rdad

On the Ice
Joined
Nov 2, 2009
Thanks,

I will involve her coach. He has been OK and actually suggested her going to a jump specialist so I would expect him to be on board with a tech specialist.

I had a though about why every program last week looked just about the same. It is not the system itself it is what we are doing within the system. I talked to three other parents that are doing the same thing we are doing. Also, someone on this board suggested it. Get the video and the scores and see what scores people are getting for each move, spin, etc. So now we look for things that are relatively easy to do, that get a good level and put it in the program. Also, I imagine that a coach may incorporate something that got a good level with another skater.

By the way, now that I am learning this stuff I cannot watch skating anymore without counting revolutions.

Reviewing programs with a tech specialist is invaluable. One thing to keep in mind with the spins is you not only need to obtain level but also good GOE. If you hold a position for 8 revs but the spin slows down significantly then you will lose much of what you gained on level from the negative GOE you will get for bad execution. Someone else here said it well lower level spins well executed can be every bit a effective scorewise as a badly executed high level spin.

If you think spins are difficult to figure out just wait to you see the section on footwork, revision 1097798237973242397. Footwork rules seem to change daily.
 
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