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Thread: Brian Joubert should NOT win the Olympics with his current LP

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buttercup View Post
    First of all, I don't like the title of this thread. It's mean and unnecessary regardless of who the skater is. Why can't it be titled "Joubert's new LP", with the perceived merits or lack thereof then discussed in the posts?
    I totally agree! The title made this thread sound like another Joubert bashing thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jennylovskt View Post
    The title made this thread sound like another Joubert bashing thread.
    Is not it it?
    I thought from the first post that it was exactly that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Germanice View Post
    As for the Olympic podium, it's really hard to pick a favourite, the depth of talent is tremendous!!! Let's put it this way: Any podium WITHOUT Plushenko (see below , one Gold is enough!), Chan (boring and overrated, mostly by himself!) and Lysacek () would be fine with me!
    ITA with ya Germanice!

    BTW, love your post signature!

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    Well I do like this program a lot better than the one did last year. I also saw some improvement in his spins and he has some nice footwork. What is going on with his jumps though? I don't think it is a very good strategy for him to be attempting three quads. When he performed his short program he looked so nervous and almost scared. I hope he gets it together!

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    I think the problem of his jumping lies "in between his ears." I don't mean to turn all the discussion into "intervention sessions." Really, I don't mean it. But from what little I read about Brian, he really exerts a lot of pressure on himself to excel.

    Unlike compact backhand, forehand stroke in tennis is all about confidence. Likewise, though I don't know much about skating, a big element like jump has a lot to do with a skater's confidence, I imagine. It is for this reason I am glad that Maxim Staviski is at Brian's side.

    Brian, confiding to another guy doesn't mean you are a "sissy." It's ok, Brian. We all know you are a "macho" guy.

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    I do like Brian's LP. It isn't amazing or anything but it plays to his strengths.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jasper View Post
    I've just watched his LP performance from TEB. I'm sorry, there is no artistic merit to his program at all. I am so sick of the judges consistently over-marking his PCS - for instance, when he lost to Jeff Buttle at the '08 Worlds, how was it that he received a superior PCS score to Jeff? And even with his disastrous execution in Paris this week, he got 72.00 in PCS. And yet I didn't see any transitions or intelligent choreography whatsoever. It's like every program he does is exactly the same with the same jumps and cheesy moves, and the music is just playing in the background.

    With skaters like Chan, Kozuka, Lambiel returning to eligibles, etc., Joubert should not be an Olympic champion. They actually know how to skate. He does not. For him to deserve an OGM, I truly believe he should have three clean quads in his LP and beat the rest of the field with amazing technical content. Otherwise he is not up to snuff. Not Olympic worthy.
    Well. Thank you for this... It will certainly save us all a lot of time and angst to know that we know Brian Joubert should not win the OGM because you don't like his program or style.... Where were you when I needed you in 1998, huh? When your absolute judgement on who is quality and who is just jumps could've been useful? The nerve. The unmittigated gall. Because you failed me in 1998, you don't get to say who deserves an OGM until we see the final skater strike their final pose at the final phase of their competition. So there. :sheesh:


    Quote Originally Posted by museksk8r View Post
    As with Mao's LP, I am also disappointed in Brian's LP music and performance level. As I've said on FSU, I've personally seen no progression from him since the 2004 season. I think this season's Ancient Lands LP deserves a place right alongside his other forgettable LPs, like 1492, Lord of the Dance, and Matrix Reloaded. I don't think it's an Olympic calibre LP, and Brian is not giving me the impression that he loves and enjoys skating right now. He seems to be under so much pressure and he's showing it. Hopefully for him, he can overcome his difficulties and skate with ease again.
    This is such a pet peeve of mine... why do fans say disappointed IN vs. the proper FOR. If Mao's programs aren't working or Brian's programs are not high quality be disappointed FOR them. We have no skin in this game - we're just fans. If we like something, great. If not, too bad. We've done nothing to justify being disappointed IN anyone or anything....:banging:

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    Considering how disrespectful Joubert has been to his other competitors the past two years, I don't care if this thread title sounds mean or harsh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jasper View Post
    Considering how disrespectful Joubert has been to his other competitors the past two years, I don't care if this thread title sounds mean or harsh.
    The time has come to add to my ignore list. There's a world of difference between criticizing a skater and being a jerk, but you've managed to span that gap easily.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jasper View Post
    Considering how disrespectful Joubert has been to his other competitors the past two years, I don't care if this thread title sounds mean or harsh.

    Um, pot calling the kettle black, much?

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    Brian Joubert should NOT win the Olympics with his current LP
    Why shoudn't he? It's still early in the season, Joubert' s got time to improve, till next year February. I'm not a fan, but if he skates lights out, he certainly should win the Olympics with his current LP. I mean, Plushenko did win with his, and we survived

    Besides, figure skating would be so boring without Joubear. Also there's gals who find him cute and sexy, good for the sport!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kwanford Wife View Post
    This is such a pet peeve of mine... why do fans say disappointed IN vs. the proper FOR. If Mao's programs aren't working or Brian's programs are not high quality be disappointed FOR them. We have no skin in this game - we're just fans. If we like something, great. If not, too bad. We've done nothing to justify being disappointed IN anyone or anything....:banging:
    I never said I was disappointed in Brian personally. I respect any athlete who pushes himself/herself in this grueling sport that requires so much hard work, yet receives very little respect from the majority of people. I am disappointed in his music choice . . . I feel he could do so much better. I am disappointed in his level of performance because I know Brian can do so much better, as he's proven before, particularly in the 2006-2007 season. These are only my opinions, not to be taken too seriously or too personally. I am disappointed for Brian in the sense that he looks to be overridden with so much pressure and it appears it's taking his joy and love for this sport away. I really feel for him in that sense and I sincerely hope he can skate up to his potential again, and that goes for ALL the skaters. I want everyone to be at their very best . . . that's what makes for the best competition!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jasper View Post
    An Olympic podium WITHOUT Joubert, Lysacek, and Plushenko... that sounds absolutely wonderful. I'll cheer for that.
    Let's hear it for the underdogs!

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    I´m not a fan, but I thought this lp is an excellent choreography for Joubert. Very well planned to make him look like an artistic skater (the same as Tarasova/Morozov fooled the audiences and judges with Yagudin years ago). Looking forward to see this programme when all the jumps are successful. Good music!
    Last edited by Jaana; 10-20-2009 at 12:49 PM.

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    I like Joubert, but

    I hope the Olympic podium has Weir, Takahashi, and Lambiel, in any order.

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