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    If there was the possibility Mao's previous coach did want to continue to coach her part-time and put his reputation on the line, well it seems Tat is at least willing to do that; and in the K&C area she made a fist as if to say "be strong, Mao" and patted her on the back. I am not sure that Tat is the right coach for Mao at this time (just as I'm not sure if Mao should be worrying about or even incorporating the 3axel into any of her programs right now), but I do believe her intentions are not as "evil" as they appear, nor would I put all fault in her
    Tarasova is definetly not evil. I've always liked her honestly. What I like about her is that she seems to have a real love for skating.

    But I'm going to say this I don't think Aruturian was wrong at all for putting his foot down about the parttime coaching situation. I'm sure he was worried about his reputation, but he was probably also trying to send Mao a message as well.

    If I was a coach I'd feel the exact same way he did. If I'm your coach I'm your coach, and it will have to be a fulltime situation. Not you training by yourself for months and me there for only a couple of weeks. It's my career, so of course I have to be concerned about my reputation! But also because I don't think that's a good training situation for any student. I always felt that in the long run this part time situation would be disasterous for Mao.

    I'm not sure how Tarasova, after her experience with Arakawa, couldn't have known that part time coaching wasn't the best plan for Mao. And I wish that someone had knocked some sense into Mao after last year's not so great season.
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    Quote Originally Posted by R.D. View Post
    OK, enough from me about Asada- on to the other skaters:

    Czisny: Better than I expected. She stood up during the program which is always a positive. However, silly mistake on the 2A after nailing the first two triple jumps...had she hit that, she'd have a comfortable lead now, I'm sure of it.

    Wagner: Good start. Seems like she underrotated some jumps because the score was a little low (I was expecting something closer to 58 or something)

    Note: I still think they should either make it clear to the viewer on TV whether a jump was underrotated, or lessen the penalty for underrotated jump. I think only clearly visible mistakes should detract from the score but that's another thread. Just for the sake of the audience. suggestion: apply the -1 deduction for underrotation and give 0 points for failed jumps.

    Ando: Unfortunate mistake but reasonable start. With Asada struggling, will she assert herself as the top Japanese lady in the field now?
    I've been thinking the current US ladies are somehow lacking in charactor. But wow! Alissa and Ashley really has developed their own style and charactor! Alissa is very serene and elegant, Ashley tense and dramatic.. Mirai also had a juvenile flirtatious charactor which I liked when she was 14, but not anymore (I wish her to give up that style and grow up)

    I was particularly amazed by Ashley's SP program. Whoever choreo'd it, he/she did a brilliant job: it really highlightens the skater's personality! I would dare to say it has a potential to be a masterpiece, the best program I've seen so far this season. I just wish her to improve technically (no more downgrades plz) and make her great program a real masterpiece!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    But seriously, something is awfully wrong with Asada. And Joubert for that matter. I have the feeling that Asada is buried under expectations, pressure etc. She needs to get out, have some fun.

    I'm sad for Asada as well. I getting used to the pattern of The Japanese Federation putting to much pressure on there skaters overall.

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    [QUOTE=prettykeys;419545]Thank you, calica.

    I'm curious to see Julia's SP if anyone has a link.

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    I cannot find a link with Julia's SP, nor Leonova's. Does anybody here have a link?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blades of Passion View Post
    There's no point in doing the Axel in combination in the SP (nor the LP, for that matter, if she is only going to do 1 of them). She would get so many more points by adding a Triple onto the end of her Flip.
    She should do both. Ironically, it is the axel combos that she seems to do better on.

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    Jennifer Kirk's blog is updated - about Mao's coaching issue

    http://trueslant.com/jenniferkirk/20...aching-change/

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    I finanally brought myself to watch Mao's SP. It's really not as bad as I thought. In fact she messed up only ONE element, and the rest of her performance was actually fine. It is because that element affected the following combo and made her subsequent 2A invalid, so much trouble ensued. What's really surprising is that she and her team didn't prepare a PLAN B in advance. She should just improvise a bit, insert a combo, or change her 2A to a triple....or something---that is what plan B is all about. Do they have a plan B? Well, if they don't, I'm sure next time they will.

    I don't know what has happened to Mao, but I agree with others who said she needs a vacation off. She looked as if the burden of the world was on her. It's saddening to see her like that.

    Since her 3As look very inconsistent right now, I hope she can ditch at least one in skating her LP today. She is fully capable of finding her way back to the podium as long as she can somewhat regain her mental strength.

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    First off, Congrats Alissa and Ashley!!! Hopefully Alissa can pull out a great FS like she's known to sometimes, and doesn't let the pressure hit her! Im sure this will look good to the USFS for both of them!

    Now, I didn't have time to read every reply, but thought it was worth noting...this reminds me of pre-olympic gymnastics to an extent. Nastia Liukin had ruled the gym...until Shawn Johnson came up. Then, Nastia began finding herself behind Shawn over and over, even nearly faceplanting at one point....but in the end, Liukin pulled it out. I kinda hope that's how it goes here...I must admit, I truly disliked Mao Asada before mid-season last year, but now she's truly growing on me.

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    Miki's program looked pretty good. As for Mao, I don't know what to say. Nothing is working for her, her programs, her costumes, her jumps... Well I hope she will get her jumps back but her older sister, Mai, started losing her 3lutz,3flip and 3loop around when she was 18-19ish? Their jumping techniques are very similar and equally bad, so maybe Mao can't jump anymore with that weird jumping techniques that she has.

    I know some people are pointing out that she should go for 3/3s instead of 3axels.. but I really think Mao no longer has a 3/3. I don't know if she can bring back the jumps with a good technical coach.. it might be too late.


    Well, I am looking forward to watching Miki's LP tomorrow!! Go Miki!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Okami View Post


    Actually, it was exactly the other way around. Rafael didn't want to fix the Flutz, he thought the compulsory deduction for flutzing was unfair. Possibly he wanted to wait with fixing the wrong edge take-off until the off-season, but by that time Mao switched away from him.

    I think that part of the reason that Mao clings to her 3As is that it simply is one of the few triples that Mao feels comfortable with...

    3Lz - fixed flutz, but in result - not a stable jump, often popped or doubled
    3F - fixed "toe hammer" (lifting free leg too high, almost above the head), in result - slow approach into the jump, not much flow out, difficult to tack on a triple on the end.
    3L - used to be Mao's most favourite jump - for some reason UR at TEB and in practice here at CoR. Fatigue?
    3S - in the summer clips, looked perfect with changed technique (more height and take off a'la Miki), but not very stable in competitions.
    3T - actually, probably Mao's most stable triple jump right now, though acquired fairly recently.

    In the meantime she worked on 3F-3L, 3F-3T, 3A-3T, 3F-3L-2L, 3L-3L, 3L-3L-2L, 'Tano jumps, not to mention on basic skills, spins, spirals, etc.

    I think Mao should just give up on some things (like 3F-3L, 3S, 3A-2T) and instead concentrate on those jumps that she could reasonably master until Olympics (solo 3A, 3L-3L looked fab in practice, much better than 3F-3L, 3Lz looked great when done on fresh legs).

    Maybe something like:
    3L-3L
    3F/3Lz
    2A

    and

    3A
    2A-3T
    3Lz
    3L-3L
    3F-2L-2L
    3F
    2A

    would have worked much better. However, to master that jump layout Mao would probably have to miss the GPF and instead find a jump doctor (Lee Barkell, maybe?) and work, work, work.
    Thanks for reminding me of Rafael situation and her summer practices. I do hope that she will hire a fulltime jump coach, gets her confidence back, and enjoy skating again.

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    Now, I didn't have time to read every reply, but thought it was worth noting...this reminds me of pre-olympic gymnastics to an extent. Nastia Liukin had ruled the gym...until Shawn Johnson came up. Then, Nastia began finding herself behind Shawn over and over, even nearly faceplanting at one point....but in the end, Liukin pulled it out. I kinda hope that's how it goes here...I must admit, I truly disliked Mao Asada before mid-season last year, but now she's truly growing on me.
    Your missing some important facts here. First of all Nastia had a major injury right before 2006 Worlds. She had ankle surgery and it took a long time for her to rehabilitate. She lost probably a year of training. her landings and could only really train bars and beam. She messed up 2007 Nationals because going there she and only just started landing on hard floors. She looked better at 2007 Worlds, but it was clear that her gymnastics didn't have the polish that it use to have.

    Yes, Shawn was beating Nastia in 2007, but she was beating a recovering from injury Nastia. In 2008, Nastia was looking a LOT better. She even beat Shawn at the American Cup. While yes she was making some mistakes, it was clear that her gymnastics was a lot more polished and it was just a matter of peaking her at the right time. Something her father is very good at. (He's a former Soviet gymnast and they were all about peaking their athletes) Shawn was also over scored at US internal competitions.
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    Just finished watching Alissa's SP.
    She is gorgeous when she doesn't fall!
    I loved her dress, too.

    I had completely written her out for the two Oly spots because of her inconsistency, but I might have to change my mind depending on how the LP goes.

    Good luck!!

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    Am I dreaming, or is Czisny in SECOND PLACE after the short? Oh, my paws and whiskers! This is marvelous. I'll try to hunt up her short program tomorrow. Golly, maybe this is the year she keeps her cool and lives up to her potential. And to see Julia Sebestyen sitting at the top of the heap is a delight. She's a trouper--did someone say it's going to be her fourth Olympics?--and obviously a woman of persistence and strength.

    But alas for Asada. That poor girl is melting down in full view of the world.

    I understand the reasons for Kim's supremacy right now, and I enjoy and admire her skating. But I also have a huge affection for Asada: there's a lightness and fluidity to her skating that no one else has. Skating can't afford to cast her aside, and in an Olympic year, no less. How could the people around her allow her to lose touch with her confidence like this? What--they're only coaching her from the ankles down?

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    Question First time ever to post,

    I've been watching this forum for almost 3 years now, but at last.. I finally pushed myself to actually sign-up today.
    Since I've missed the COR this year and only checked the results from ISU,
    I'm very much surprised at the outcomes in the Ladies section.
    Mao in 6th huh.. probably crushed on her 3X again and struggled on the remaining jumps I guess..?
    While her technical scores were way down the earth, her PCS were highest out of all the ladies, so..
    : She messed up on her jumps or made a huge crash but managed to get a grip of herself and performed an outstanding(compared to the other ladies) skating : this is my guess, judging by the ISU results.
    ..can't wait to check out the protocols or clips of her SP to confirm.

    BTW had it not been her PCS she might have scored forty-something..
    Knowing what she's capable of.. this is pretty shocking news for me.

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    Quick question, is there any live feed to watch the LP?
    Last edited by Tango_D_R; 10-24-2009 at 03:07 AM. Reason: question

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