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    Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkestMoon View Post
    For those who want to watch Plushenko Fs again:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYsBoHVSVcI
    Thank you. Eww...chills and infatuation. :o He is amazing.

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkestMoon View Post
    I hope the other men are prepared to bring their A-game to Vancouver because Plushy isn't going to relinquish the OGM that easily. I guess it's a dream come true for Joubert and his quads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diva View Post
    The score of Plushenko is of course beatable but the problem is when he improves his PCS, the other skaters need to be without any mistakes and considering there isn't an overall consistent skater out there... And now when Plushenko is putting even more pressure on them
    Evan is a very consistent skater. It will be interesting to see his debut

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hsuhs View Post
    Sure, I recall that notion from ISU rules reg the 'corridor'. But I didn't do the math for mens fs CoR scores. You're probably saying that those 9's and 8.5s, as well as 6s and 6.5s are perfectly within the corridor in this case, and thus, normal.

    So next time, when you see they are giving 9s for a piece of monstrosity, better do the math and see it's perfectly normal and justified. OK!
    Well, I'm just the messenger. (Hermes to Speedy's Zeus, as it were. )

    But I do have to say that I am not generally upset at the idea that one judge likes a skater's program and another doesn't. It is not like in statistics, where you would like to get the sampling error (statistical noise) down as low as possible so as not to swamp the thing that is being measured.

    That is also why I am not all up in arms about the statsitical consequences of reducing the size of the judging panel. The scores are judgments. I think that fans of figure skating have to reconcile themselves to the fact that theirs is a judged sport.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    But I do have to say that I am not generally upset at the idea that one judge likes a skater's program and another doesn't. It is not like in statistics, where you would like to get the sampling error (statistical noise) down as low as possible so as not to swamp the thing that is being measured.
    I don't have an issue with the judges liking or disliking a program - that's wholly subjective. Most of us here are pretty knowledgable, and we all have our likes and dislikes, too...

    But I do feel that there should be more agreement on what are supposed to be measurable and at least somewhat objective criteria. The scores shouldn't be about what the judges "liked", at least for components such as skating skills and transitions. I can see how it would be harder to find agreement on interpretation and P&E (I want CH out of the PCS, as I've written before).

    In creativity research, one method used to evaluate creative works is to go to a number of experts and have them judge it (separate from each other) on various criteria, and then look to see if they are in agreement with each other about the merits (or lack thereof). Interjudge reliability does tend to be pretty high in such studies. I wonder what the reliability would be for judges scores' if we calculated it. Who's up for some SPSS fun, then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    But I do have to say that I am not generally upset at the idea that one judge likes a skater's program and another doesn't. It is not like in statistics, where you would like to get the sampling error (statistical noise) down as low as possible so as not to swamp the thing that is being measured.

    That is also why I am not all up in arms about the statistical consequences of reducing the size of the judging panel. The scores are judgments. I think that fans of figure skating have to reconcile themselves to the fact that theirs is a judged sport.
    Choreography and Interpretation from the PCS are really the only things that should be subjectively judged. Other things like Skating quality, Transitions, etc. (and of course the Technical aspects) should follow objective guidelines; the subjectivity regarding the scale should be minimized (i.e. the sampling variation/error). It is very much a statistical problem if judges are to generally agree with the scale (e.g. what constitutes exceptional, superior, fair, or poor.)

    Sometimes you get coordinated over- or under-scoring, which means that all the judges did their job within the acceptable parameters but the end result is still noticeably "off" the overall impression of whether the score was an accurate reflection of the performance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    Well, I'm just the messenger.
    I know, I know [a shy smile].

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    But I do have to say that I am not generally upset at the idea that one judge likes a skater's program and another doesn't.
    And how do you feel about any 2 judges liking a skater's program exactly the same? Those two '9s guys', the Russian and the Ukrainian judge, were in perfect sync on all the 5 program fs components of a certain skater: 8.75 and 8.75 for SS, 7.75 and 7.75 for TR, 9.00 and 9.00 on PE, 8.50 and 8.50 on CH, and finally 9.00 and 9.00 for IN.

    What do stats say about chances of two great minds thinking alike?

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    Evgeny decent skate--should be a bit sharper -but i am sure come olympics you will be ready- full throttle.

    brandon okay skate--to me a bit slow and low on jumps
    johnny-what can i say.

    takahiko and artem-- good skates.

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    Poor Johnny What happened?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cloudkicker09 View Post
    Poor Johnny What happened?
    Physically ready but not mentally prepared yet?
    So much pressure too (from inner and outer forces). I feel for him.
    But resolutely support him still. And the fact that he cannot compete like some people are saying is bull. Inner demons aside, he's done it and done it damn successfully before.
    And if he's actually as well trained as I think he is, I have faith. Get it together, JWe. <3

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    I loved Kozuka's free program - especially the music! Kurt Browning described his skating best I think; his skating is full of patience and it has a breath and an air to it but he is missing a spark. He had my favorite program of the day.

    Just watched Plushenko - jumps, jumps, jumps and nothing else. Looks exactly the same as he did in 2006 - yawn. His circular footwork was embarassing - the commentators actually burst out laughing at one point. What was with all the "I'm number one crap" pointing with his finger? It's the Grand Prix for heaven's sake!

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    Quote Originally Posted by i love to skate View Post
    Just watched Plushenko - jumps, jumps, jumps and nothing else. Looks exactly the same as he did in 2006 - yawn. His circular footwork was embarassing - the commentators actually burst out laughing at one point. What was with all the "I'm number one crap" pointing with his finger? It's the Grand Prix for heaven's sake!
    All of Plushenko's programs are exactly the same, you could interchange the music with any of his programs and you would get the same result. That is what is so frusterating, he always wins with the same program.

    Poor Johnny, he sounded so confident on twitter....

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    Quote Originally Posted by i love to skate View Post
    Just watched Plushenko - jumps, jumps, jumps and nothing else. Looks exactly the same as he did in 2006 - yawn. His circular footwork was embarassing - the commentators actually burst out laughing at one point. What was with all the "I'm number one crap" pointing with his finger? It's the Grand Prix for heaven's sake!

    I agree...but as long as Plushenko keeps consistently hitting those 4-3s and 3As like he's doing now, he's probably going to be number one no matter how boring the rest of his programs are, judging from the way the men's field is looking right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cloudkicker09 View Post
    All of Plushenko's programs are exactly the same, you could interchange the music with any of his programs and you would get the same result. That is what is so frusterating, he always wins with the same program.

    Poor Johnny, he sounded so confident on twitter....
    but he does land his jumps, the guys who does chero very well rarely land their jumps. And most can't land quad, let alone add a triple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by merrybari View Post
    Weir - has work to do. He seldom really skates the program - leaving out and/or doubling jumps. Where has his heart gone? Didn't seem to be in his skating today. Sorry to see him looking so downcast in the KnC.
    I was not expecting this from him. Usually he starts the season so strong. Last year he came out with a vengence and we all thought that the National title was his to lose...until he didn't even make the world team. I don't think he by any means has his olympic spot in the bag unless he really steps things up. Maybe he and his team are trying to peak later this year, but his talk last spring of "quitting the sport" for a few months after his disasterous nationals has me worried. The unmotivated Johnny has returned. Just when we though he grew up.

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