I say look at the scores. Plushenko only got a 157 for a free skate that had a quad and two triple axels. His program and choregraphy sucks. Oda got a 163 in France for a program with no quad.
I think I heard/read that he is portraying Prince Ivan NOT the firebird so black is completely within reason.
Plushenko didn't maximize his points out like he will later in the season, though. He left out an entire combination and his footwork is going to grow in complexity as well.
Oda basically skated the very best he can without Quad to get that score.
I never said that Oda can beat Plushenko without a quad. I think he'll absolutely need a quad if he wants a shot at Plushenko. But, I think that Oda with one quad in the long program can out score a one quad in the long program Plushenko by quite a lot. Plushenko's program, once again sucks...
I think I heard/read that he is portraying Prince Ivan NOT the firebird so black is completely within reason.
which he can make up with his cop friendly long
Why can't Oda beat Plushenko without a quad? He can beat Joubert without a quad. Plushy, last week had only a double lutz and slow speed, bad spins and no transitions. Sure, his jumps were great, but they can't be giving him the gold on the quad alone again.
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I highly doubt that. I think Plushenko's programs will only get better and stronger by the end of the season. They have never encountered before at international competitions, right? So we'll have to wait and see how things turn out as the Olympics are drawing near day after day.
Joubert skated poorly in France. I think that if Oda wants to make his case against Plushenko, he should at least land one quad. The quad is just as much part of the whole package as spins, choregraphy. He lands the quad, then there can be talk about how he actually has a well constructed program and Plushenko does not.
I would bet a lot of money on Plushenko's LP in Vancouver having at least 2 quads and maybe 3. A LOT of money.
I would bet a lot of money on Plushenko's LP in Vancouver having at least 2 quads and maybe 3. A LOT of money.
I never said that Oda can beat Plushenko without a quad. I think he'll absolutely need a quad if he wants a shot at Plushenko. But, I think that Oda with one quad in the long program can out score a one quad in the long program Plushenko by quite a lot. Plushenko's program, once again sucks...
He has never done level 4 footwork before and his skating skills are not the strongest, so I don't see that as a possibility for him.
Are you sure you can win the bet? I know you are only joking. That's all.
Oda's skating skills aren't the strongest? Oda has some of the best basic skating skills in men's skating right now. He has deep edges and gets ridiculous amounts of speed. And gorgeous knees.
I mean if we are going to go by jumps alone, Plushenko should have won the long program in 2002, but it's never been "just" about jumps.Maybe but its not like at the Olympics in 2006 he had transition filled programs (at all.) And he's older now.
(I should be getting paid for this advice. :sheesh: )