Ladies LP IN broadcast 4:50 a.m.: EST Sat. Nov 7th

**french quarter** · 11-07-2009, 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by MissIzzy

Yu-Na would have to make the top four there

No offense, but this sounds very funny.

**sjwh08** · 11-07-2009, 05:09 PM

For either Leonova or Wagner (who have total of 24) not to go to GPF,
either Caroline Z or Alissa C should
(1) win SC to tie with them with the total score 24,
AND (2) have a larger total SP+LP score from two events.

But if either of them wins SC, it means Joannie is not guaranteed to go (24 if silver, 20 if bronze) too, so there would be one more room for the fight among 24ers : Meaning Leonova or Wagner are going to GPF, almost no matter what.

**SerpentineSteps** · 11-07-2009, 05:17 PM

Originally Posted by sjwh08

For either Leonova or Wagner (who have total of 24) not to go to GPF,
either Caroline Z or Alissa C should
(1) win SC to tie with them with the total score 24,
AND (2) have a larger total SP+LP score from two events.

But if either of them wins SC, it means Joannie is not guaranteed to go (24 if silver, 20 if bronze) too, so there would be one more room for the fight among 24ers : Meaning Leonova or Wagner are going to GPF, almost no matter what.

That is, unless Tiger Woods sweeps the podium.

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**R.D.** · 11-07-2009, 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by sjwh08

For either Leonova or Wagner (who have total of 24) not to go to GPF,
either Caroline Z or Alissa C should
(1) win SC to tie with them with the total score 24,
AND (2) have a larger total SP+LP score from two events.

But if either of them wins SC, it means Joannie is not guaranteed to go (24 if silver, 20 if bronze) too, so there would be one more room for the fight among 24ers : Meaning Leonova or Wagner are going to GPF, almost no matter what.

OK, thanks. Wow, good for Wagner then

we have not had an American lady in the GPF in the past 2 years. And I believe we have to go all the way back to 2004 when an American was last on the podium at the GPF (Cohen). The past two Americans (Czisny, then Meissner) to make it were basically embarrassed by their competition.

I believe although Leonova and Wagner are tied, Leonova wins on the tiebreaker because of total points.

**life684** · 11-07-2009, 05:28 PM

Originally Posted by sjwh08

For either Leonova or Wagner (who have total of 24) not to go to GPF,
either Caroline Z or Alissa C should
(1) win SC to tie with them with the total score 24,
AND (2) have a larger total SP+LP score from two events.

But if either of them wins SC, it means Joannie is not guaranteed to go (24 if silver, 20 if bronze) too, so there would be one more room for the fight among 24ers : Meaning Leonova or Wagner are going to GPF, almost no matter what.

Sorry, 1st tie breaker is best position obtained any of the gp, then scores, if Alissa or Caroline wins at skate canada, they automatically move ahead of Leonova and wagner.

Both leonova and wagner may not qualify if this happens

Flatt wins SA, and Yu na kim finishes second(that would be the 8th wonder).

and at canada, Zhang or Czisny wins they have 24 points and Best finish being the win. Rochette second and if she score more than (apprx.)158 points she too has 24, with best finish being second and finally suzuki third

So the standing would be
1) Ando 30
2) Kim 28
3-) Suzuki 26
4-5) Flatt 24 (1 )
4-5) Zhang/ Czisny 24 ( 1)
6) Rochette 24 (2) if rochette score more than 158~

So its is not a done deal for Leonova and Wagner

But its looks highly unlikely that yuna will lose in US, so that will allow leonova to sneak in, but the result of skate canada is very probable, hence wagner is in more trouble than leonova.

Here is the link to GP standings and you can see the 1st tie break is highest position obtained in any of the 2 gps.

http://www.isuresults.com/events/gp2009/gpsladies.htm

**amateur** · 11-07-2009, 05:30 PM

Yeesh, I'm glad i didn't stay up or get up early for this one....

I notice that Cynthia Phaneuf actually had the second higest TES (just edging out Ando), yet was a *distant* 6th in PCS... even 5 points behind Leonova! and 7+ behind Wagner and Lepisto... I have not seen all the performances yet (... so i know, I shouldn't really say anything..), but that seems weird/off to me - Cynthia is not in the top tier, but certainly no slouch, especially compared to those I just named. Probably due to skating in the 1st flight? That's too bad (if not annoying); she was reasonably close to a good showing here.

The footage of Phaneuf's extra warm up time before her skate (due to Meier's witdrawal), alone on the ice in front of the dead silent crowd, is riveting!

**sjwh08** · 11-07-2009, 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by life684

Sorry, 1st tie breaker is best position obtained any of the gp, then scores, if Alissa or Caroline wins at skate canada, they automatically move ahead of Leonova and wagner.

Both leonova and wagner may not qualify if this happens

You're right, sorry my bad. If either Alissa or Caroline wins SC and Rossette goes 2nd, and Akiko finishes 3rd, the winner and Akiko will take the spots.
Wagner, Leonova and Joannie will still fight for two spots with total scores. So Wagner has a chance there if she has higher total score than Joannie's (which is not as unlikely as the case in which Alissa or Caroline wins SC...)

I thinks it's VERY SAFE to assume that Wagner got the spot.

I honestly don't feel the need to assume that Yu-na doesn't win SA.

**R.D.** · 11-07-2009, 05:41 PM

The only way someone other than Yuna wins SA is if Yuna WD.

**SerpentineSteps** · 11-07-2009, 06:13 PM

Originally Posted by R.D.

The only way someone other than Yuna wins SA is if Yuna WD.

or if she somehow gets injured has a really bad skate.

**shallwedansu** · 11-07-2009, 06:18 PM

SerpentineSteps, WTH is that picture? Could you please stop posting them? Or if you do, can you post a link to them instead because you're wasting the board's bandwidth.

**sjwh08** · 11-07-2009, 06:27 PM

Originally Posted by shallwedansu

SerpentineSteps, WTH is that picture? Could you please stop posting them? Or if you do, can you post a link to them instead because you're wasting the board's bandwidth.

Two words: Iggy list

**wonbinfan86** · 11-07-2009, 06:43 PM

Originally Posted by shallwedansu

SerpentineSteps, WTH is that picture? Could you please stop posting them? Or if you do, can you post a link to them instead because you're wasting the board's bandwidth.

Uh... I think we need a moderator here that picture is pretty vulgar...