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    I do not take this seriously partly because Morosov talks quite aggressively and then often tells the skater to play safe. That's how he plays the game.

    Miki tends to be quite honest and bare her emotions and desires to the media. I understand that she has wished to succeed in this jump again for many years.

    But I have had an impression that the other parts of her performance tend to go worse when she tries a quad possibly because it requires so much focus and energy. Anyway, this is what's called the same old story.

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    I remember the 2004 Worlds in Dortmund. Word got out that the comparatively new competitor will execute a quad as she had done at Japanes Nationals. As I remember but not correctly, she did attempt it and failed. Sasha, Shizuka and Michelle were safe.

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    The Quad is a waste of time. They aren't going to give her credit for it.

    She should be practicing her combinations. 3Lutz-3Loop and 2Axel-3Toe are the key.

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    I suspect that the rationale behind this (that is, if true) is that it's her last chance to test-run it before the Olympics.

    Remember that the 3 spots on the Japanese team will be allocated to: (1) the highest-placing lady on the podium at the GPF; (2) the national champion; and (3) a skater on the national podium with favorable results throughout the season.

    If she doesn't make the podium at the GPF, it's not that big of a deal, since she'll most likely make the team under (3) given her 2 GP wins, or even (2) if she skates well. If she doesn't make the podium at nationals, however, things get a bit trickier.

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    Miki is injury prone and has ups and downs emotionally. There is no telling what happens next. It's so much wiser to grab the chance when available. Her ratified quad many years ago would have been downgraded at the current standard, which will make her quad attempt a gamble with an even more slim chance than Mao's three-3A quest that people are questioning.
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    If her attempt to do the 4S is purely based on the fact that she can land consistently and feels confident about them in practice, of course, why not! go for it!

    But if she's thinking, 'I HAVE TO get this in order to win over Kim at the Finals' or
    'To win the VC Oly, I REALLY need to land those quads' , then No.. that is not the right answer. It could as well turn out to be something similar to today's Mao's 3A case, and might work against her.. and could end up like her 2006 Olympics.

    From what I've seen so far, before talking about the quads she really needs to get the 3Lz-3Lo done right(which she's totally capable of).
    Even her 3-2 looks far from solid so far.. then why trying to focus on the quads? 3Lz-3Lo is still a very difficult combination for the ladies and as well appreciated by scores when executed right.
    Besides Kim, she could easily stay top of the game with her 3Lz-3Lo, 2A-3T, no need to rush for 4S until she nail those combinations. I would rather appreciate a clean 3-2 than a shaky 4S.
    Again.. quad is not the golden ticket for winning.

    However, as I mentioned, if her intent is solely based on her practice results, I'm all there for her
    She is after all, the only lady who landed them in competition



    Looking back... I really think this post would mean just as much to Mao's case
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    Biggest. mistake. ever! Why would she want to give up the possibility of an opportunity to finish a solid 2nd (I imagine she and Joannie (if she qualifies) will be vying for that placement behind Kim) when she could attempt a quad, fail miserably on it, and be shaken by it the whole program and risk finishing out of the medals altogether. Ando hasn't been very solid this season despite the two GP golds and I think it's way too risky for her and her health to try the very likely downgradeable quad. She should focus on getting that 2Axel+3toe done successfully, which hasn't happened yet this season. Very nice improvement on the 3loop though at NHK!
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    The last time Miki landed a ratified quad, she was 14 years old. She's now nearly 22, and she hasn't been credited with a successful quad attempt since then. Considering that some of her triples have been downgraded lately, she has zero chance of having a 4S ratified.

    As other posters have mentioned, every time she has gone for the quad, the rest of her program disintegrated. A quad attempt would be a desperate move that Miki would do well to avoid.
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    As far as the Salchow is concerned, I wonder why she doesn't practice a 3Sal-3Loop? It seems like that would be more consistent than the 3Lutz-3Loop for her.

    She could use that combination for her SP too and then do a Lutz as her solo jump, which would additionally let her forget about her nemesis jump (the Flip).

    3Sal-3Loop and 3Lutz would have the same base value as what Yu-Na does in the SP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tango_D_R View Post
    If her attempt to do the 4S is purely based on the fact that she can land consistently and feels confident about them in practice, of course, why not! go for it!

    But if she's thinking, 'I HAVE TO get this in order to win over Kim at the Finals' or
    'To win the VC Oly, I REALLY need to land those quads' , then No.. that is not the right answer. It could as well turn out to be something similar to today's Mao's 3A case, and might work against her.. and could end up like her 2006 Olympics.

    From what I've seen so far, before talking about the quads she really needs to get the 3Lz-3Lo done right(which she's totally capable of).
    Even her 3-2 looks far from solid so far.. then why trying to focus on the quads? 3Lz-3Lo is still a very difficult combination for the ladies and as well appreciated by scores when executed right.
    Besides Kim, she could easily stay top of the game with her 3Lz-3Lo, 2A-3T, no need to rush for 4S until she nail those combinations. I would rather appreciate a clean 3-2 than a shaky 4S.
    Again.. quad is not the golden ticket for winning.

    However, as I mentioned, if her intent is solely based on her practice results, I'm all there for her
    She is after all, the only lady who landed them in competition



    Looking back... I really think this post would mean just as much to Mao's case
    The obsession of Miki and Mao with 4S or 3A seems to be more to do with their athletic spirit, rather than an irrational belief that it is the magical ticket to win.
    Shizuka aged 24 yrs old was able to calmly let go of the second triple of 3S-3T when her landing on the first triple was not secure. She just prioritized getting more points than doing 3-3.
    But these two ladies do not seem to be afraid of the high risks as much as they might be if their only concern were to get more points. Morosov stops Miki most of the times anyway though. Yet, Miki said at NHK that she could not focus because she followed the advice to play safe doing 3-2 instead of 3-3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckm View Post
    As other posters have mentioned, every time she has gone for the quad, the rest of her program disintegrated.
    Not completely true. There was one time where it worked out, at least in terms of the performance. She attempted and LANDED the Quad at the GPF last year (very, very slightly short of hitting the 1/4 turn mark on rotation) and went on to execute 5 Triples and 2 Double Axels.

    It was a very successful performance but unfortunately CoP screwed her over. The Quad (along with several other jumps) was downgraded, so her marks suffered big time.

    She placed last (6th) at that GPF, but deserved the Bronze...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bennett View Post
    The obsession of Miki and Mao with 4S or 3A seems to be more to do with their athletic spirit, rather than an irrational belief that it is the magical ticket to win.
    Shizuka aged 24 yrs old was able to calmly let go of the second triple of 3S-3T when her landing on the first triple was not secure. She just prioritized getting more points than doing 3-3.
    But these two ladies do not seem to be afraid of the high risks as much as they might be if their only concern were to get more points. Morosov stops Miki most of the times anyway though. Yet, Miki said at NHK that she could not focus because she followed the advice to play safe doing 3-2 instead of 3-3.

    I wouldn't say irrational belief.. more like a wrong approach to me.
    Make sure to do what you can do and then challenge yourself, that was my basic point.
    Also, I wouldn't say getting more points is their *only* concern.. but to certain amount, definitely. Let's say Kim is not competing in this era.. would Mao put three 3axels in her programs in current conditions? I don't think so. At least she would limit the numbers down until she gets stable practice results. After all it IS the Olympic season and the color of the medals DO matter especially for the top skaters, and it could easily make them anxious.
    I'm not trying to bash on Miki's attempts to do the 4S but more like concerned.

    As for the interview, this was not a good answer from Miki. Had she made the 3-2 effortlessly, then I would be convinced that she was well ready to execute 3-3 in NHK. After all Mosorov is her coach and probably knows her jumps and conditions better than anyone. I'm sure he would've made that decision based on her current forms and practice results. This interview gave me some slight feelings that she was blaming him for her falls. Even if she felt that way, I don't think it's the best way to show it in an interview.. but that's my thought


    BTW if I didn't care for Miki I wouldn't be rambling about her in the first place. I hope Miki's fans won't take this the wrong way

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blades of Passion View Post
    Not completely true. There was one time where it worked out, at least in terms of the performance. She attempted and LANDED the Quad at the GPF last year (very, very slightly short of hitting the 1/4 turn mark on rotation) and went on to execute 5 Triples and 2 Double Axels.

    It was a very successful performance but unfortunately CoP screwed her over. The Quad (along with several other jumps) was downgraded, so her marks suffered big time.

    She placed last (6th) at that GPF, but deserved the Bronze...
    I could be wrong in my memory but was that the competition in which she looked really great in bare eyes, but many of her jumps were dinged for URs?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tango_D_R View Post
    I wouldn't say irrational belief.. more like a wrong approach to me.
    Make sure to do what you can do and then challenge yourself, that was my basic point.
    Also, I wouldn't say getting more points is their *only* concern.. but to certain amount, definitely. Let's say Kim is not competing in this era.. would Mao put three 3axels in her programs in current conditions? I don't think so. At least she would limit the numbers down until she gets stable practice results. After all it IS the Olympic season and the color of the medals DO matter especially for the top skaters, and it could easily make them anxious.
    I'm not trying to bash on Miki's attempts to do the 4S but more like concerned.

    As for the interview, this was not a good answer from Miki. Had she made the 3-2 effortlessly, then I would be convinced that she was well ready to execute 3-3 in NHK. After all Mosorov is her coach and probably knows her jumps and conditions better than anyone. I'm sure he would've made that decision based on her current forms and practice results. This interview gave me some slight feelings that she was blaming him for her falls. Even if she felt that way, I don't think it's the best way to show it in an interview.. but that's my thought


    BTW if I didn't care for Miki I wouldn't be rambling about her in the first place. I hope Miki's fans won't take this the wrong way
    Thanks for sharing your insights .

    It is an interesting question whether or not Mao would insist on the three-3A programs if she were not competing against Yuna.

    Mao says that only two ladies can do 3A; that 3A is her strength; that if she gave up the plan, what she put efforts last year would be in vain; that she has not given up her dream to get OGM; that looking back with a calm mind, there is nothing she cannot do (in her programs); and that she would like to have a 100% success rate in practice.

    Miki is one of the most honest athletes who bares her emotions in her interviews. It has worked both positively and negatively for her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bennett View Post
    I could be wrong in my memory but was that the competition in which she looked really great in bare eyes, but many of her jumps were dinged for URs?



    Thanks for sharing your insights .

    It is an interesting question whether or not Mao would insist on the three-3A programs if she were not competing against Yuna.

    Mao says that only two ladies can do 3A; that 3A is her strength; that if she gave up the plan, what she put efforts last year would be in vain; that she has not given up her dream to get OGM; that looking back with a calm mind, there is nothing she cannot do (in her programs); and that she would like to have a 100% success rate in practice.

    Miki is one of the most honest athletes who bares her emotions in her interviews. It has worked both positively and negatively for her.
    That's what I really like about her... her honesty. She may not have to national little sister cutness of Mao or the natural grace of Arakawa, but she has that inner vulnerability that makes her so human.

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    Yuna, Yuna, Yuna

    This sounds like some Federation mind games to me.

    Since "Triple Axle Girl" seems to have taken herself out the equation somebody wants to wave the flag for "Quad Girl."

    Good luck.
    Last edited by janetfan; 11-13-2009 at 04:25 PM.

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