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    meh... no nothing about goes and protocols and whatever
    haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by cloudkicker09 View Post
    No way, K/N are finally getting the marks that reflect thier skating and it is about time.

    Galit and Sergai C/S, won Israel's first world medal in figure skating, in a moment of heroism and joy for Am Yisrael. What happened following that was a backlash was something that could be described as anti-semetic comments made by certain skaters and commentators. The backlash cost C/S their career, and so saw some of those that made those comments rise to the top of the podium through Torino.

    To this day, I still have the tape from that day, I watched the Israeli flag fly high with pride.

    Sorry on a high from the victory for Israel and still passioned to this day about that event in Nagano.

    On another note about Tanith and Ben,
    I liked them alot more when their programs had a comedic element to them, and they were fun, and not so serious.
    Wait, anti-semitic? Remember, this was the competition that caused Albena Denkova to circulate a petition asking essentially for an explanation of the scores as C/S beating D/V was pretty much bunk based on the skating itself. You think they did that out of anti-semitism? Or do you think the accusations of payoffs (I'm trying to be sensitive here, but yes, the Lithuanian Federation did accuse Mr. Chait of making payoffs) is the anti-semitic part. I'm genuinely curious, as far as I understood it, that was one of the most spurious medals of the decade (generally accepted as such).

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    Okay, what Tanith and Ben are not getting is the PCS. And there are some wacko changes to PCS this year:

    1. Some components get a gratuitious 0.5 every time you do a gratuitous twizzle outside of the actual twizzle sequence, provided it's appropriate to the music.
    2. Same AFAIR for extra lifts
    3. There are penalties in some components for excessive stopping and posing.

    Someone in real teknik (Linichuk, I'm calling yoohoo) needs to read those PCS guidelines in ISU Com 1567 to understand why B&A are not getting the levels. If you check the protocols, it's pretty consistent on a per judge basis, and now it's through 2 competitions.


    Pl. Name Nation TSS= TES+ PCS+ SS MO PF CH IT Ded.- StN.
    1 Tanith BELBIN / Benjamin AGOSTO USA 95.62 46.90 48.72 8.05 7.95 8.30 8.20 8.25 0.00 #10
    2 Alexandra ZARETSKI / Roman ZARETSKI ISR 87.94 45.80 42.14 7.00 6.85 7.05 7.15 7.20 0.00 #7
    3 Anna CAPPELLINI / Luca LANOTTE ITA 85.73 43.60 42.13 6.95 6.65 7.25 7.30 7.25 0.00 #8
    4 Jana KHOKHLOVA / Sergei NOVITSKI RUS 81.78 37.70 44.08 7.30 7.20 7.40 7.50 7.45 0.00 #9
    5 Madison CHOCK / Greg ZUERLEIN USA 80.49 44.70 35.79 6.05 5.70 6.10 6.10 6.05 0.00 #4
    6 Kimberly NAVARRO / Brent BOMMENTRE USA 79.42 42.10 37.32 6.25 5.95 6.40 6.30 6.40 0.00 #6
    7 Kristina GORSHKOVA / Vitali BUTIKOV RUS 76.47 41.60 34.87 5.75 5.70 5.90 6.00 5.80 0.00 #5
    8 Zoe BLANC / Pierre-Loup BOUQUET FRA 73.66 41.90 31.76 5.25 5.00 5.50 5.50 5.45 0.00 #1
    9 Caitlin MALLORY / Kristjan RAND EST 72.03 39.60 33.43 5.50 5.40 5.65 5.80 5.65 1.00 #2
    10 Xiaoyang YU / Chen WANG CHN 64.04 35.10 29.94 4.80 4.85 5.15 5.25 5.05 1.00 #3

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    US Nats is going be be very interesting .


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    Quote Originally Posted by ImaginaryPogue View Post
    Or do you think the accusations of payoffs (I'm trying to be sensitive here, but yes, the Lithuanian Federation did accuse Mr. Chait of making payoffs) is the anti-semitic part.
    I remember watching a vid of it and hearing Vanagas make a remark about being unable to fight "big money" which definitely carried unfortunate implications. I'm not sure if he even consciously meant anything anti-semitic by it, and obviously he was upset, but still, he shouldn't have made it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oxade21 View Post
    It means when you have certain known person sleeping in bed with Schpilband camp and ready to kill for "Oh, Canada", you get levels 1s if you do not belong to both.
    And that's Dostatni (I mean, if we're gonna make accusations here, can we at least use names and not innuendo? We're not twelve).? Of course, B/A didn't get any level ones. Nor did K/N.\

    Quote Originally Posted by MissIzzy View Post
    I remember watching a vid of it and hearing Vanagas make a remark about being unable to fight "big money" which definitely carried unfortunate implications. I'm not sure if he even consciously meant anything anti-semitic by it, and obviously he was upset, but still, he shouldn't have made it.
    Thanks, and I agree. I wasn't aware of that (I was aware that he had said something along the lines of "When you see the judging panel, you know how the judging will go" in terms of countries. That's paraphrasing, by the way.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by yelyoh View Post
    US Nats is going be be very interesting .

    And I think it's great

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    B/A are so much better. Crazy CoP. Can't believe they were scored so looow. Stupid, stupid CoP, all manipulation.

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    I mentioned in the CD thread about the issue re: Israeli judges country hopping to different countries, and/or coutnry hopped to judge for Israel. The Hungarian and British judges who judged at the GP events (TEB, CoR?) are Israelis. The Israeli judge who judged @ this panel used to judge for Hungary.

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    Tweet from Lynn Rutherford:

    Drama in the mixed zone. Anna Cappellini collapsed with joyful tears when she and partner Lanotte gained the silver medal and the GP Final.

    There's an interesting podium, where the silver and bronze(I assume) medalists are happy but the gold medalists aren't!

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    Copied from Tanith and Ben's protocols:
    Program Component Scores

    Skating Skills 7.75 8.50 8.00 7.75 7.75 8.25 7.75 8.50 8.75
    Linking Footwork / Movement 7.50 8.25 7.75 7.75 7.00 8.00 7.75 8.50 8.50
    Performance 8.00 8.50 8.25 8.25 8.00 8.50 8.00 8.75 8.50
    Choreography 8.00 8.25 8.00 8.00 8.00 8.50 8.00 9.00 8.50 8.20
    Interpretation / Timing 8.25 8.75 8.00 8.25 8.00 8.25 8.00 9.00 8.50 8.25

    Judges Total Program Component Score (factored) 48.72

    The issue seems to be in Linking footwork/movement-and there are some glidy empty spots in it yet.

    They also could be getting better GOE. I know D&W collect 3's for their spin, and for that first lift.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MissIzzy View Post
    Tweet from Lynn Rutherford:

    Drama in the mixed zone. Anna Cappellini collapsed with joyful tears when she and partner Lanotte gained the silver medal and the GP Final.

    There's an interesting podium, where the silver and bronze(I assume) medalists are happy but the gold medalists aren't!
    I think Bonaly in 1994 takes that prize (even if she wasn't the gold medalist)!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImaginaryPogue View Post
    Wait, anti-semitic? Remember, this was the competition that caused Albena Denkova to circulate a petition asking essentially for an explanation of the scores as C/S beating D/V was pretty much bunk based on the skating itself. You think they did that out of anti-semitism? Or do you think the accusations of payoffs (I'm trying to be sensitive here, but yes, the Lithuanian Federation did accuse Mr. Chait of making payoffs) is the anti-semitic part. I'm genuinely curious, as far as I understood it, that was one of the most spurious medals of the decade (generally accepted as such).
    Quote Originally Posted by MissIzzy View Post
    I remember watching a vid of it and hearing Vanagas make a remark about being unable to fight "big money" which definitely carried unfortunate implications. I'm not sure if he even consciously meant anything anti-semitic by it, and obviously he was upset, but still, he shouldn't have made it.
    I have the tape, I have watched the press confrence, and the entire event, and post, over and over again, V of D/V told the media that he felt that "You know there is money behind the Jewish team, Jewish money, that's the only reason they won." Denk/Staviski, and Navka/Kostamarrov (sp? on all counts) were also pretty voacl on that day. One commentator said that "Those Jews must have paid someone off" It really hurt. There were other things said that are too cruel to post. Galit and Sergai earned that medal. The backlash was uncalled for.

    Right now I want to take in the joy of this victory for the Zaretskis and go in search of the medal ceremony so that I can watch the Israeli flag fly high.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImaginaryPogue View Post
    I think Bonaly in 1994 takes that prize (even if she wasn't the gold medalist)!
    But that was a classic setup: gold medalist happy(*most* gold medalists are), silver medalist unhappy because she wanted to win, bronze medalist happy because she medaled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MissIzzy View Post
    Tweet from Lynn Rutherford:

    Drama in the mixed zone. Anna Cappellini collapsed with joyful tears when she and partner Lanotte gained the silver medal and the GP Final.

    There's an interesting podium, where the silver and bronze(I assume) medalists are happy but the gold medalists aren't!
    Lynn Rutherford should just shut up.
    Last edited by Tonichelle; 11-15-2009 at 06:48 PM. Reason: even the cute little acronyms should be family friendly, thanks.

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