11-15-2009, 08:12 PM
I don't see how B&A's FD is any more of a downer than V&M's Mahler or C&L's Requiem for a Dream (and I do like both of those programs). Especially the theme of C&L's FD seems more angsty and dramatic than B&A's. Susie Wynne commented that she felt that it might be harder to sell the theme and music (of C&L's FD) to the audience. Apparently the judges didn't think so and neither did I (I realize my opinion doesn't count ). Also from what I could see B&A seemed to receive a pretty good reaction from the crowd.
I liked Tanith's new costume but admit I prefer the original one.
11-15-2009, 08:20 PM
C/L's is a downer, no doubt: disaffection, alienation, drug addiction. It's intense music that's repetitive (not a negative judgement - I have it on my iPod).
But V/M? It's actually quite light, I think. Very much airy-lovey-dovey stuff. I happen to like airy-lovey-dovey on Virtue and Moir, though.
I think B/A's is more of a downer relative to their other FDs though, and there are enough people who think that it's an odd fit so I can see where they're coming from.
11-15-2009, 08:44 PM
On cloud nine and refusing to come down!
11-15-2009, 09:13 PM
You have a point. I shouldn't have included V&M's music in the "downer" category but going back to the comment about C&L's music, I think that V&M's music if not repetitive does stay mostly at one level. In the past there have been couples who have used one piece of music in that way and the comments were made that this doesn't allow for up and downs and doing so might lose the attention of the audience. It's true that with V&M's music I haven't noticed any issues with the crowd being pulled in by it. That isn't a criticism either as I like the Mahler FD. My first reaction to it was more along the line of "oh, okay... but it's really growing on me and I can't wait to see it again next weekend.
Originally Posted by ImaginaryPogue
You are right about enough people feeling B&A's FD is a downer which is a shame. I think the music is beautiful, it has different levels and builds up to a beautiful ending. And the choreography is stunning.
I'm debating whether or not to post my next opinion but here goes:
First allow me to say that I am not including everyone who doesn't like B&A's FD in my next comment. Sometimes the same program will hit different people a certain way; it's subjective.
However, I do wonder if some of the criticism of B&A's FD is because it's B&A.
For example, last season so many people complained about DomShabs' placement at worlds including the first place in the CD. I agree with those who believe DomShabs' OD and FD placements were too high but looking at their CD, they were excellent. At the time I remember thinking that Max's knees must be healing (I was wrong about that). It seems if a team is very unpopular then some people won't be open to whatever they do even when they do it well.*
Hopefully B&A will keep training their program so they can skate it all out at the GPF. I'd really like to see some higher GOE points. I believe that is (at least partially) what is making the difference between the 95 points as opposed to reaching 100 or more.
N&B are another couple who must be wondering what more they need to do. After their first GP event in Paris, I was thinking that even if Kim and Brent don't make the olympic team it did seem as if there would at least be a great competition between them and S&B. After seeing them finish behind C&Z here I'm not so sure.
*Just to elaborate on the comment regarding some people not liking B&A's FD because they don't like them. I'm not referring to people who don't like the music or feel the program is heavy. What I'm referring to are the posts that don't really comment on the FD or OD themselves but the tone of those posts make me feel that some seem annoyed by the idea that B&A were getting praised.
Last edited by Dyan; 11-15-2009 at 09:59 PM.
11-15-2009, 10:23 PM
Dyan, that's a fair point eloquently said. I think there are skaters who for us individually, can do no wrong so it stands to reason that for whatever reason, there will be those who simply can "do no right." DomShabs is a great example. Brian Joubert might be another.
I don't think B/A's FD is a downer, though I can see why people might, especially if they're not comparing it with other FDs of the season or looking at it on it's own but comparing it their lighter FDs of the past. Even Tosca, which isn't exactly light, has a bigger feel to it.
As for NavBom, I have to admit I don't get the praise for them and I do think the battle is between them and Chock/Zurlein (S/B being comfortably third of the US couples). I don't think the Hubbells will get any real traction (my favourite of the three duos) this season.
Last edited by ImaginaryPogue; 11-15-2009 at 10:41 PM.
11-15-2009, 10:54 PM
Wicked Yankee Girl