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Ladies SP Saturday Nov 14th 7:00 p.m. EST:

evangeline

Record Breaker
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Nov 7, 2007
I said bashing on "Yuna fans" and attacking "Yuna fans" annoys me.
By the way, If technical calls by us TV or small video viewers can be subject to "opinions" because of the inaccuracy of viewing it through camera, I think the burden of proving UR is on those of us calling UR. That is, it requires a lot more caution calling UR than calling that a jump is not UR. Technical calls being subject to camera angles and all doesn't mean that anyone's free to call UR because it's his/her opinion but it means that it needs a bigger caution for us to call UR.
It just seems that some people don't hesitate to call UR saying "It just looks like that to me. I can say whatever I feel like."

Sad to see every single time there's a new Yuna vid becomes available (practice or competition), there's someone who attacks her technical element.

Well.....you yourself said Yu-Na's technical elements were being attacked. But I don't see any attacking here. Also, have there even been attacks or bashing on Yu-Na's fans in general? As someone who is a fan of Yu-Na myself, it's quite evident that derogatory comments were directed to the small proportion of uber-ubers, the ones who try to stir up trouble and resentment by doing things like accusing Fumie Suguri of disrupting Yu-Na's practices....i.e. not Yu-Na's fans in general.

As for your comment about UR-ing and opinion, I think you should remember that this is a public forum. The vast majority of posters here are just fans of who love figure skating and watch it on TV or online and post our opinions online for discussion, whether those opinions are on the skaters' costumes or the rotation of their jumps. Why can't someone say a skater's jump looks UR if they really think so? Other posters can agree or disagree, and start a discussion on the matter. Isn't this the entire point of a public forum?
 
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anabel2

Spectator
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Nov 15, 2009
Just an accident? Or?

During Yuna's official rehearsal,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZztPum8skM

Something DANGEROUS happened to Yuna at 00:16, and she failed on flip. This has happened to her many times before during her official rehearsals in the previous competitions. What do you think? (I heard Yuna telling her coatch that she was nervous at the kiss & cry zone after the short program).

Just another accident? like many others that've happened to her before?
 
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Bennett

Record Breaker
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Nov 20, 2007
I watched Fumie for the first time this season and I liked this program. I also like the colors of her costume even though I did not like the design of the skirt. On her lutz, I saw the inside edge and I also felt that she URed. Did she? But overall, a nice performance. I hope that she could make the Olympic team even though I also would like Mao, Yukari, and Akiko to go.
 

Nadia01

Final Flight
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Nov 10, 2009
During Yuna's official rehearsal,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZztPum8skM

Something DANGEROUS happened to Yuna at 00:16, and she failed on flip. This has happened to her many times before during her official rehearsals in the previous competitions. What do you think? (I heard Yuna telling her coatch that she was nervous at the kiss & cry zone after the short program).

Just another accident? like many others that've happened to her before?

Yes. I think it's just an accident. I don't think Fumie did it on purpose b/c if she'd collided with Yuna, everyone could've been hurt / injured.

Besides, if Fumie did collide with Yuna, and should Yuna get injured, there's going to be an extremely nasty talk between K&J, and I'm sure the JSF may even ban Fumie from skating in competition for the rest of the season b/c the JSF already told their skaters to avoid doing anything that can create misunderstanding overseas.
 

Bennett

Record Breaker
Joined
Nov 20, 2007
Fumie:

shaky 3L-2T - might have been planned 3-3
3F - edge is questionable
2A

Fumie flew in this program. I don't really care for it but, she skates pretty well for her age. :rock:

56.04 - 1st place with SB

Does she have 3l-3t???? Wow!!!

ETA: You mean she planned it and practiced it in her practices? What she did in the program was just 3-2.
 
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life684

Final Flight
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Nov 8, 2007
I actually preferred Julia and Fumie's program over Racheal's. Julia was just great and was very visibly pleased with her performance, so too was Fumie until the score came out.

Hope these two veterans can have a got free skate (good luck to others as well) and i wish Japan had like 5 olympic spots rather than 3.
 

Bennett

Record Breaker
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Nov 20, 2007
I personally think that there's a almost zero room for "opinions" in terms of technical element.

I often watch the same performances broadcasted in different channels and different countries on YOUTUBE. Different commentators have differing opinions about the same technical elements (of course, there are also times when they all agree).

Mao, Yu Na, Caroline, Mirai, Rachael all did 3-3s without suffering from UR penalties a few years ago. I think it just goes to show that it's a lot to easier to rotate when you're a teeny 5 ft tall 14 year old. If you look at the tallest skaters in the field-Carolina, Kiira, Alexe, etc-all about 5'6 5'7, they generally suffer from inconsistency with their jumps. Rachael is still tiny, but Yu Na at 5'5 is almost as tall as those skaters who dazzle us half the time then fall frequently the rest of the time. Mao I think is the same height as Yu Na, and Caroline and Mirai were listed as 5'4 last year and could easily be 5'5 or taller by now. Even though all these skaters are thin and extremely fit, I think they might just be at a disadvantage being a little taller than most skaters. But this is just a thought

Another possible explanation is that the tech callers may have become stricter than a few years ago.
 
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sillylionlove

Medalist
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Oct 27, 2006
Here is a funny story....the arena was relatively empty for most of the day. The ladies begin and all these Koreans enter the arena...Yu Na skates and they all leave. In fact, my mother went outside during the Zamboni break before the men's final and she said that they all left in chartered buses and there were a whole load of the buses! I feel so bad for her. The state police were actually there to escort her out of the building! The media is out of control. The camera clicking during her program was so friggin loud! In fact, at one of the practice sessions this guy was up in her face with a television camera while she was tying her skate. Many people have been commenting how they would not want to live like that!
 
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Sasha Cohen, with both John Nicks and Tatiana Tarasova, milked the crap out of the CoP. While she didn't win, Sasha's team figured out how to use the code to her abilities and make up for her technical limitations. The US skaters should have taken note instead of trying to become the Next Whoever.

Eta: Welcome to the board!
more than milking the CoP, Sasha knew how to milk the audience and judges with her ability to contort her body. Unfortunately, there were falls and flubs in her routines.

YuNa may flub but she never falls.
 

Nadia01

Final Flight
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Nov 10, 2009
Here is a funny story....the arena was relatively empty for most of the day. The ladies begin and all these Koreans enter the arena...Yu Na skates and they all leave. In fact, my mother went outside during the Zamboni break before the men's final and she said that they all left in chartered buses and there were a whole load of the buses! I feel so bad for her. The state police were actually there to escort her out of the building! The media is out of control. The camera clicking during her program was so friggin loud! In fact, at one of the practice sessions this guy was up in her face with a television camera while she was tying her skate. Many people have been commenting how they would not want to live like that!

I know Korean media loves to blame Japanese skaters, etc. for interrupting Yuna's practice sessions, etc. but I think it's the Korean media that is the truly in the way of her happiness. I just can't believe how they just refuse to leave her alone.

You know what's really sad though? For some reason, if Yuna does not win the OGM, they'll crucify her.
 

Nadia01

Final Flight
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I think it's gotten more attention than necessary b/c some Korean rags decided to run a story on how Suguri interrupted Yuna right after SA SP. It's just getting ridiculous.

It's just like another article they ran right before SA SP about how the WSJ ignored / dissed Queen Yuna by not having any figure skating articles featuring her. I'm sure the WSJ will be happy to run a front page article on her....when/if she becomes the CEO of Goldman Sachs.

P.S. I'm not saying that Yuna implied that Suguri interrupted her or that she was upset that the WSJ didn't run an article on her. It was all implied / written by 3rd rate reporters who just want to stir up trouble. I've never seen Yuna imply or say anything negative about anyone during interviews. It's always the reporters who put some "controversial" spin on everything she does or says to rile people against JP skaters or something. It bothers me greatly b/c I don't like that at all and I feel like they're using her to sell more rags.
 
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cosmos

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Oct 2, 2007
I know Korean media loves to blame Japanese skaters, etc. for interrupting Yuna's practice sessions, etc. but I think it's the Korean media that is the truly in the way of her happiness. I just can't believe how they just refuse to leave her alone.

You know what's really sad though? For some reason, if Yuna does not win the OGM, they'll crucify her.

They can't leave her alone. They are doing their job. It is all because YuNs is in a status of Hollyood stars or Tiger Woods. Do US media leave them alone? Media is media. No big difference in US and Korea.

No, you are wrong. YuNa failed to win Worlds in 2007 and 2008, and GPF 2009 in Korea, but no media criticized her. I think you have a stereotyped view of Koreans.
 

Nadia01

Final Flight
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Nov 10, 2009
They can't leave her alone. They are doing their job. It is all because YuNs is in a status of Hollyood stars or Tiger Woods. Do US media leave them alone? Media is media. No big difference in US and Korea.

No, you are wrong. YuNa failed to win Worlds in 2007 and 2008, and GPF 2009 in Korea, but no media criticized her. I think you have a stereotyped view of Koreans.

Only b/c she said she was sick / injured.

Have you seen what they did to a swimmer of theirs?

I don't have a stereotyped view of Koreans. For your information, I did not criticize Koreans, but the MEDIA.

I find the media overly intrusive, the way I find the JP media overly intrusive when it comes to Mao and other skaters.
 

Daniel5555

On the Ice
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sillylionlove
I feel so bad for her. The state police were actually there to escort her out of the building! The media is out of control. The camera clicking during her program was so friggin loud! In fact, at one of the practice sessions this guy was up in her face with a television camera while she was tying her skate.
Things like that happen a lot. But it was worse already, so I'm pretty sure that it won't affect her.

silverlake22
They get taller, the center of gravity changes, so even if they hardly gain any weight at all the jumps are still different. I mean I read the thread where people were talking about Yu Na's strict diet, but I mean if she has to go around hungry all day just so she can do 3-3 jump combinations isn't that saying something about the sport? She should just eat, she's already amazing
We don't know for sure what's about her diet and if it's true, what's the reason behind it. She gained weight over time anyway as her height increased, so I don't think that it is related to jumps, although I agree that it affects them.
 

cosmos

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Only b/c she said she was sick / injured.

Have you seen what they did to a swimmer of theirs?

I don't have a stereotyped view of Koreans. For your information, I did not criticize Koreans, but the MEDIA.

I find the media overly intrusive, the way I find the JP media overly intrusive when it comes to Mao and other skaters.

She wasn't injured at all at the last GPF when she was 2nd to Mao.

The swimmer had several issues, and it was internet not media that heavily criticized him. Don't be confused.

Yes, sometimes Korean media is overly intrusive, but you are exaggerating it. I can tell many cases where US media or European media were overly intrusive.
 

newvie

Rinkside
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Oct 17, 2009
Please don't bring the nationalism to this board. I'm already tired with all the anti-J/K videos on the Youtube searched with Yuna's name. It's even not sure if all Korean Yuna fans are overreacting to interruption during warm-ups. I saw a YT posters who keep uploading videos saying Yuna has been interrupted during warm-ups at SA, and they're subscribed to posters or have subscribers/friends who upload anti-Yuna, anti-Korean videos. I found it kinda funny. I'm even wondering if they're J/K haters from the 3rd country ;)

In my previous post, I said what happened during the SA rehearsal was just an accident, because i don't think that skater is doing it intentionally. That's just who she is. She just doesn't care at all about others. All my respect for skating great at the age of 28, but if I was a skater, I wouldn't be willing to practice with her on the same ice link.

Anyway, I hope all skaters can skate perfect, injury-free. I just can't wait for LP performances of Elene, Yuna and Rachael this evening. :clap:
 

Nadia01

Final Flight
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Nov 10, 2009
She wasn't injured at all at the last GPF when she was 2nd to Mao.

The swimmer had several issues, and it was internet not media that heavily criticized him. Don't be confused.

Yes, sometimes Korean media is overly intrusive, but you are exaggerating it. I can tell many cases where US media or European media were overly intrusive.

She said she was SICK. (Note that in my post I said "sick / injured")

Internet is part of the media.

I'm not exaggerating it. How many US or European athletes had to leave their home countries because of the media intrusion? Yuna left in part b/c the media wouldn't let her practice in peace.

P.S. I understand that Korea does not have a rink for figure skating, but given her talent and international competition results, they would've given her a rink if she'd insisted on it.
 
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