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    "substantial age" ???? how old is she again? pretty sure she's younger than I am (24) and I'm pretty sure SUBSTANTIAL is well in both of our futures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shallwedansu View Post
    It's doing her no good by calling her perfect. Even Yu-Na knows herself, that she's not perfect.
    Yeah, I just read the Icenetwork review. Yuna herself was very self-critical and claimed that "the footwork and last [camel combination] spin were slow and struggling" Orser also said "She knows she has a lot of work to do."

    Congratulations to the leading three ladies. Of course I'm very happy for Yuna. As her fan, I actually feel sorry for her that she felt that nervous entering into this competition. But I guess that's what being one of the best in the world is all about. You just have to learn to be strong and control your nerves in big competitions. That's how you become one of the best in the field.

    Despite Flatt's unfortunate fall, I found her program very pleasant and enjoyable. Julia Sebestyen's performance was a delight to watch. I'm not familiar with this skater, but I hope she can keep it up tomorrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shallwedansu View Post
    Honestly, it's much easier and better for Yu-Na's image if you just ignore it, rather than defend your goddess. It's doing her no good by calling her perfect. Even Yu-Na knows herself, that she's not perfect.
    Well said. I cannot agree more.

    Being a big yuna's fan myself, I think some of her 'uber' fans' really hurting her image.
    I kindof feel sorry for her. She definitely deserves better fan there.

    And I really applaud for Jullia Sebestyen.
    hope she won't repeat that FP of russia tommorrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonichelle View Post
    "substantial age" ???? how old is she again? pretty sure she's younger than I am (24) and I'm pretty sure SUBSTANTIAL is well in both of our futures.
    She's 19, which IS young, but it just seems like figure skating, like gymnastics, is one of those sports where girls peak at like 15-16. Not all of them obviously, but if you look at Kimmie, Emily, Mao, Caroline, Mirai, Rachael etc, they seem to have more trouble jumping as they get older. They get taller, the center of gravity changes, so even if they hardly gain any weight at all the jumps are still different. I mean I read the thread where people were talking about Yu Na's strict diet, but I mean if she has to go around hungry all day just so she can do 3-3 jump combinations isn't that saying something about the sport? She should just eat, she's already amazing

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    Quote Originally Posted by evangeline View Post
    Well, factors such as camera angle allow for much room in interpretation and opinion when it comes to technical elements. The nature of the matters being discussed--the minutiae of rotation, for instance--also tends to result in differing opinions, no?


    Besides, has anyone really "attacked" or "bashed" Yu-Na here?
    I said bashing on "Yuna fans" and attacking "Yuna fans" annoys me.
    By the way, If technical calls by us TV or small video viewers can be subject to "opinions" because of the inaccuracy of viewing it through camera, I think the burden of proving UR is on those of us calling UR. That is, it requires a lot more caution calling UR than calling that a jump is not UR. Technical calls being subject to camera angles and all doesn't mean that anyone's free to call UR because it's his/her opinion but it means that it needs a bigger caution for us to call UR.
    It just seems that some people don't hesitate to call UR saying "It just looks like that to me. I can say whatever I feel like."

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    Quote Originally Posted by sjwh08 View Post
    I said bashing on "Yuna fans" and attacking "Yuna fans" annoys me.
    By the way, If technical calls by us TV or small video viewers can be subject to "opinions" because of the inaccuracy of viewing it through camera, I think the burden of proving UR is on those of us calling UR. That is, it requires a lot more caution calling UR than calling that a jump is not UR. Technical calls being subject to camera angles and all doesn't mean that anyone's free to call UR because it's his/her opinion but it means that it needs a bigger caution for us to call UR.
    It just seems that some people don't hesitate to call UR saying "It just looks like that to me. I can say whatever I feel like."
    Quote Originally Posted by sjwh08 View Post
    Sad to see every single time there's a new Yuna vid becomes available (practice or competition), there's someone who attacks her technical element.
    Well.....you yourself said Yu-Na's technical elements were being attacked. But I don't see any attacking here. Also, have there even been attacks or bashing on Yu-Na's fans in general? As someone who is a fan of Yu-Na myself, it's quite evident that derogatory comments were directed to the small proportion of uber-ubers, the ones who try to stir up trouble and resentment by doing things like accusing Fumie Suguri of disrupting Yu-Na's practices....i.e. not Yu-Na's fans in general.

    As for your comment about UR-ing and opinion, I think you should remember that this is a public forum. The vast majority of posters here are just fans of who love figure skating and watch it on TV or online and post our opinions online for discussion, whether those opinions are on the skaters' costumes or the rotation of their jumps. Why can't someone say a skater's jump looks UR if they really think so? Other posters can agree or disagree, and start a discussion on the matter. Isn't this the entire point of a public forum?
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    Just an accident? Or?

    During Yuna's official rehearsal,

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZztPum8skM

    Something DANGEROUS happened to Yuna at 00:16, and she failed on flip. This has happened to her many times before during her official rehearsals in the previous competitions. What do you think? (I heard Yuna telling her coatch that she was nervous at the kiss & cry zone after the short program).

    Just another accident? like many others that've happened to her before?
    Last edited by anabel2; 11-15-2009 at 05:48 AM.

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    Yes. just another accident.

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    I watched Fumie for the first time this season and I liked this program. I also like the colors of her costume even though I did not like the design of the skirt. On her lutz, I saw the inside edge and I also felt that she URed. Did she? But overall, a nice performance. I hope that she could make the Olympic team even though I also would like Mao, Yukari, and Akiko to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anabel2 View Post
    During Yuna's official rehearsal,

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZztPum8skM

    Something DANGEROUS happened to Yuna at 00:16, and she failed on flip. This has happened to her many times before during her official rehearsals in the previous competitions. What do you think? (I heard Yuna telling her coatch that she was nervous at the kiss & cry zone after the short program).

    Just another accident? like many others that've happened to her before?
    Yes. I think it's just an accident. I don't think Fumie did it on purpose b/c if she'd collided with Yuna, everyone could've been hurt / injured.

    Besides, if Fumie did collide with Yuna, and should Yuna get injured, there's going to be an extremely nasty talk between K&J, and I'm sure the JSF may even ban Fumie from skating in competition for the rest of the season b/c the JSF already told their skaters to avoid doing anything that can create misunderstanding overseas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkestMoon View Post
    Fumie:

    shaky 3L-2T - might have been planned 3-3
    3F - edge is questionable
    2A

    Fumie flew in this program. I don't really care for it but, she skates pretty well for her age.

    56.04 - 1st place with SB
    Does she have 3l-3t???? Wow!!!

    ETA: You mean she planned it and practiced it in her practices? What she did in the program was just 3-2.
    Last edited by Bennett; 11-15-2009 at 06:31 AM.

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    I actually preferred Julia and Fumie's program over Racheal's. Julia was just great and was very visibly pleased with her performance, so too was Fumie until the score came out.

    Hope these two veterans can have a got free skate (good luck to others as well) and i wish Japan had like 5 olympic spots rather than 3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sjwh08 View Post
    I personally think that there's a almost zero room for "opinions" in terms of technical element.
    I often watch the same performances broadcasted in different channels and different countries on YOUTUBE. Different commentators have differing opinions about the same technical elements (of course, there are also times when they all agree).

    Quote Originally Posted by silverlake22 View Post
    Mao, Yu Na, Caroline, Mirai, Rachael all did 3-3s without suffering from UR penalties a few years ago. I think it just goes to show that it's a lot to easier to rotate when you're a teeny 5 ft tall 14 year old. If you look at the tallest skaters in the field-Carolina, Kiira, Alexe, etc-all about 5'6 5'7, they generally suffer from inconsistency with their jumps. Rachael is still tiny, but Yu Na at 5'5 is almost as tall as those skaters who dazzle us half the time then fall frequently the rest of the time. Mao I think is the same height as Yu Na, and Caroline and Mirai were listed as 5'4 last year and could easily be 5'5 or taller by now. Even though all these skaters are thin and extremely fit, I think they might just be at a disadvantage being a little taller than most skaters. But this is just a thought
    Another possible explanation is that the tech callers may have become stricter than a few years ago.
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    Here is a funny story....the arena was relatively empty for most of the day. The ladies begin and all these Koreans enter the arena...Yu Na skates and they all leave. In fact, my mother went outside during the Zamboni break before the men's final and she said that they all left in chartered buses and there were a whole load of the buses! I feel so bad for her. The state police were actually there to escort her out of the building! The media is out of control. The camera clicking during her program was so friggin loud! In fact, at one of the practice sessions this guy was up in her face with a television camera while she was tying her skate. Many people have been commenting how they would not want to live like that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkestMoon View Post
    Sasha Cohen, with both John Nicks and Tatiana Tarasova, milked the crap out of the CoP. While she didn't win, Sasha's team figured out how to use the code to her abilities and make up for her technical limitations. The US skaters should have taken note instead of trying to become the Next Whoever.

    Eta: Welcome to the board!
    more than milking the CoP, Sasha knew how to milk the audience and judges with her ability to contort her body. Unfortunately, there were falls and flubs in her routines.

    YuNa may flub but she never falls.

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