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    Quote Originally Posted by prettykeys View Post
    According to the protocol, YuNa landed 3 clean triples. Her lutz was considered an underrotated 2Lutz.
    I was talking about her first 3lutz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by herro View Post
    Thank you. I mean, even (dare I say?) anti-Yuna fans have to admit that Yuna's skating ability is above most skaters.
    I'm not anti-Yuna. I just don't think it's fair to think sh'es above all other skaters.

    If Miki, Carolina, Mao deliver, they should beat Kim. But unfortunately, Kim's overscored SP may not make this possible.

    Frankly, I hope the Olympics will produce some extraordinary controversies and the CoP will be gone for good!
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    Yay!! Julia . fantastic job!! I'm really happy for her.
    Back on podium of GP after 3 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by herro View Post
    I also think Rachael is starting to gain some of that "reputation" from the judges for sure. Good for her. She's done well at worlds last year. Her lutz isn't the most obvious outside takeoff edge, but the judges now are accepting it. Other skaters with similar takeoffs would probably get penalized though...
    Yeah I guess that could be a part of it as well, it's what you get for being one of the few that can actually do a clean free skate

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    Quote Originally Posted by lakeshore View Post
    I'm not anti-Yuna. I just don't think it's fair to think sh'es above all other skaters.

    If Miki, Carolina, Mao deliver, they should beat Kim. But unfortunately, Kim's overscored SP may not make this possible.
    Sorry, I wasn't implying that you were. I agree with you though. If skaters with comparable skills as Yuna skate better, they should definitely win. I just thought that Yuna was clearly in a different realm in this competition based on her other competitors.

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    As weird as this is to say (and i've seen others say it as well), I'm glad that she had a bad performance here. I think it will take the pressure of her going into the GPF and the Olympics. Like a pressing of a button to release pressure (reference to Lost, for anyone who cares, lol). Maybe it will help people realize that the lady is just human and gets nervous and makes mistakes like everyone else. (Maybe it will calm down the media, hopefully) OTOH, she did win with THAT free skate. So maybe it will urge people into saying, "Look! She's unbeatable even when she doesn't skate perfect!" Which will add more pressure on her to always win. Who knows?

    And on the topic of the results, she has superior skating skills to Rachel, plus Rachel did fall in the short and Yu-Na had a big lead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lakeshore View Post
    I'm not anti-Yuna. I just don't think it's fair to think sh'es above all other skaters.

    If Miki, Carolina, Mao deliver, they should beat Kim. But unfortunately, Kim's overscored SP may not make this possible.

    Frankly, I hope the Olympics will produce some extraordinary controversies and the CoP will be gone for good!
    How is her SP overscored? That suggests that if others skaters skated with the same level of difficulty and execution/skating skills they would not get as high of a score. But thats completely untrue! If any of the top ladies delivered as clean, difficult, and polished skate (same great height in jumps, skating skills...), they would get a similarly high score. +2 and +3's across the board add up. And with a SP like Yuna had, it is well deserved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by herro View Post
    Sorry, I wasn't implying that you were. I agree with you though. If skaters with comparable skills as Yuna skate better, they should definitely win. I just thought that Yuna was clearly in a different realm in this competition based on her other competitors.
    I don't mind her winning this competition. Her SP was way better than all other skaters. Flat was not exactly that good. Even in her 'clean' lp, she's very sloooow, her spins were atrocious, and steps were just blahh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by krenseby View Post
    Kyla, I will reserve judgment about whether Yuna is overscored or not in the SP: however, I do think the commentators owe it to us, the viewers, to explain why Kim's SP scores so well.

    This is crucial because if it isn't apparent, people will start thinking that it has to do with favoritism. And for most of the audience, I assume it won't be apparent at all.
    I agree. In fact, I would go farther. IMHO it is the death knell for a spectator sport when the focus is always on the officials and their rulings instead of on the perfromances of the athletes.

    Under the present scoring system the audience cannot tell whether they just saw a good performance or a bad one until someone tells them.

    To the viewers it looked kike Yu-na Kim tanked. No, say the judges. Rachael did a combo-schombo spin intead of a combi-schmombi spin, so Kim wins.
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    Quote Originally Posted by enlight78 View Post
    Ok if someone wins after bombing the short and doing the long perfectly it is great job
    but if someone who exelled in the short but blew the long it is a travesty
    whats with the double standerd; it is COP not 6.0; the bombing the short is just and bad as bombing the long when it comes to points
    Yeah but that's just what happened at Nationals. Alissa Czisny had a big lead in the short, but her "big lead" was significantly smaller than Yu Na's and was only superior to the others' in terms of artistry. Then in the free skate she landed 3 clean triples and 2 doubles axels and won the title. For Alissa, that free skate wasn't "bombing" because she frequently struggles with the jumps and people have come to expect it from her. I would argue the situation today was a less severe version of nationals because Yu Na had a bigger and more deserved lead in the short than Alissa did and in the long only one Rachael definitely put up a better performance than her whereas at Nationals there were about 6 girls that put up free skates at the level of Alissa's and she still won. And I still think Alissa maybe even deserved to win. Yu Na's LP was really not that bad, it's just that she's normally so good

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    Quote Originally Posted by cornell08 View Post
    Athletes put themselves out there, and to comment on their physique in terms of conditioning/fitness is completely reasonable if not inevitable.
    If a skater can perform, as Flatt obviously can, why the hell should it matter if she doesn't fit into someone's personal vision of what a skater "should" look like?

    This is supposed to be judged on skills and performance. It's not a bodybuilding parade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Princesspts View Post
    As weird as this is to say (and i've seen others say it as well), I'm glad that she had a bad performance here. I think it will take the pressure of her going into the GPF and the Olympics. Like a pressing of a button to release pressure (reference to Lost, for anyone who cares, lol). Maybe it will help people realize that the lady is just human and gets nervous and makes mistakes like everyone else. .
    Yu Na clearly has problem with 3flip. I don't think it's just mental. It'll be interesting to see how her 3flip will look like in the GPF.

    Without 3flip, she just becomes another Mao. 3lutz, 3S and 3T, the GREATESt ladies skater? I don't think so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cornell08 View Post
    How is her SP overscored? That suggests that if others skaters skated with the same level of difficulty and execution/skating skills they would not get as high of a score. But thats completely untrue! If any of the top ladies delivered as clean, difficult, and polished skate (same great height in jumps, skating skills...), they would get a similarly high score. +2 and +3's across the board add up. And with a SP like Yuna had, it is well deserved.
    Agree with you completely. I don't really understand why people are saying she is overscored, when she deserves the points she's getting. I think part of the problem is that people who may not know every little detail about skating may look at the scores and be confused. But for someone who really understands every single element and the scoring, it's obvious why she gets the scores she does. It frustrates me a little when people imply that Yuna does not deserve her scores. She works so hard for them and she and her coaching team are smart by trying to maximize the points they get under CoP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Princesspts View Post
    As weird as this is to say (and i've seen others say it as well), I'm glad that she had a bad performance here. I think it will take the pressure of her going into the GPF and the Olympics. Like a pressing of a button to release pressure (reference to Lost, for anyone who cares, lol).
    Well said. I agree with you there.
    But I doubt it will put more pressure on other top ladies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tharau View Post
    If a skater can perform, as Flatt obviously can, why the hell should it matter if she doesn't fit into someone's personal vision of what a skater "should" look like?

    This is supposed to be judged on skills and performance. It's not a bodybuilding parade.
    It is based on skills. And based on skating skills, Kim eclipses Flatt, sorry.

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