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cassieandcheetah

On the Ice
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Jul 14, 2007
Ok, you are going to have to explain this statement. How exactly have they "belittled" B/A??

"No, Virtue and Moir were not rusty this time, although there was a minor slip of the edge during the dance yesterday. "To be behind Americans who were on the comeback trail, it does seem a little odd," Moir said.

"We're here to win," he said. "We're not happy that we're not winning."

link to article: http://www.ctvolympics.ca/figure-skating/news/newsid=7613.html
 

i love to skate

Medalist
Joined
Dec 13, 2005
I don't think it was belittling at all. It was weird for them to be behind B/A because they beat them at the previous World Championships and B/A were recovering from an injury. He didn't say they didn't deserve their placing....just that they had come there to win. Even if it was meant to be a dig or whatever, why do people have an idea that skaters have to be nice all the time and say positive things about everybody?
 

Enthusiast

On the Ice
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Jul 21, 2009
And enthusiast...I swear if I ran into you in an alleyway, just you and me, I swear I would run for my dear life. You're just way too sinister. How could you hold on to my every word dating back to, like, 2007, misinterpret them however way you like, and hold me responsible? Besides, everybody here admits I am as entitled to my opinions as anyone else . I'm not trying to malign V/M in any way, I used to be a huge fan back when they did VT, but their frontrunner status I feel like has gotten to their head a bit and I haven't appreciated the way they belittled B/A (for instance, expressing their consternation at B/A m being ranked ahead of themselves after 2009 Worlds CD) since they left shpilband. They got plenty of their fans, and me saying that I do not enjoy their current FD 100% is not going to affect them in any way. so please chill out and leave me alone.

Oh really?? Your posts post-2007 were not complementary of them at all,which is OK, we have our opinions...I don't mind you calling them overscored, even if I may not agree.....and then came her injury and not even the season started for them then things got really nasty....calling them/her "lazy", "unprofessional" "deceitful" people...I mean, what did they say this time to elicit such sinister response?
 

ImaginaryPogue

Record Breaker
Joined
Jun 3, 2009
why is everybody raving over this FD? to me, this is not even close to being their best program. Their best FD was either valse triste or umbrella. This current program feels manufactured, too gimmicky, and the mahler is played at twice the normal tempo to fit all the notes into 4 minutes, to anybody that's classically trained, it sounds almost like a disco version of the original....

I can't claim to understand why all others are raving about it, and I'll assume you're genuinely curious.

1. I haven't seen it live but all the comments from those who have seen it live tend to invoke words like "rapturous" and "cast a spell."

2. It's interesting that you feel it's gimmicky (yet you don't feel that way about Pechelat/Bourzat's program, so I'm wondering what gimmicky means to you). To me, gimmicky means inorganic, and to suggest that this program isn't of a piece with Valse Triste or Umbrellas of Cherbourg strikes me as definitively wrong. I'd buy that their Pink Floyd FD is gimmicky (I don't think it is, but I can definitely see why some think so).

3. For me, it does what I said in my first comment. It casts a spell. I'm drawn in completely into the world they create - the world of fresh, young love; of spring idyll; of poetry. If you've seen the film Bright Star (beautiful by the way), it reminds me of the butterfly scene - just light, delicate, gorgeous. From the moment the music starts I'm completely in their thrall. It could go on for hours and I wouldn't look away (BTW, I went and bought the Mahler piece they used because of how awesome they use it). It's sport and art and poetry combined and it is just breathtaking.

4. It's imperfections even make me swoon. People talk of Virtue's expression, and while it's not as good as Moir's, I can't help but love it for the sheer joy of skating it conveys. That's why I'm raving about it.
 
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anne-marie

Spectator
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May 9, 2009
Like how I used to wonder why Bourzat and Pechelat could never win any competition, until I saw their skating up close and saw how sloppier they looked than other top teams and skated farther part from each other than most couples. We may wonder forever about judging, but I think judges tend to be correct about who can actually skate well, and who can't. Ice dance IMO, shouldn't be just about performing alone.
I am sorry, but ice dance is NOT ONLY BALLROOM, it is also BALLET. When you look at a ballet and especially contemporary ballet, dancers are dancing very often separately.
 

anne-marie

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May 9, 2009

mishieru07

On the Ice
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Oct 23, 2009
not a minor slip, not one but TWO and they stopped skating without deduction

Erm IIRC this quote was about the CD placings at Worlds 2009. It wasn't about their OD (which I did feel was overmarked but what do I know). And as far as I know, they didn't stop entirely.

Oh c'mon people RELAX. Everybody is entitled to love or hate a programme; so long as it doesn't go into personal attacks of a skater or poster's character, it's fine.

I still believe the best is live reports; seeing compeititions live versus on a computer/ tv screen has a totally different vibe. Just about everyone (AFAIK) who was there said it was absolutely spellbinding. :clap: V/M and Zoueva clearly know what they're doing.

ITA about ballet and modern dance but ice dancing has its roots in ballroom dancing (hence the CDs). Admittedly, Tessa's ballet training really shows in their programmes and imo, their FD resembles a pas de deux (in a good way). Their carriage and grace is unbelivable.

I was a litle perturbed by their expression at TEB but I'm fine with it now. It's music and they have every right to interpret it the way they want. If they see it as a sort of first dance after a wedding or between lovers, their expression makes sense.

I'm with ImaginaryPogue :rock:. They are one of the few skaters I could watch all day and still be amazed.
 

anne-marie

Spectator
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May 9, 2009
Erm IIRC this quote was about the CD placings at Worlds 2009. It wasn't about their OD (which I did feel was overmarked but what do I know). And as far as I know, they didn't stop entirely.
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watch the video again, at the second slip, because they needed to recover the choreography it took several steps where they were sliding but did not skate their flamenco.
 

bigsisjiejie

Record Breaker
Joined
Nov 22, 2009
I don't think it was belittling at all. It was weird for them to be behind B/A because they beat them at the previous World Championships and B/A were recovering from an injury. He didn't say they didn't deserve their placing....just that they had come there to win. Even if it was meant to be a dig or whatever, why do people have an idea that skaters have to be nice all the time and say positive things about everybody?

This cuts both ways, and in the future, some non-Canadian skater is sure to trash talk one of the Canadian competitors and this will get reported in the public realm. We trust that you will remember your words here, and not go about the forum indignantly boo-hooing about the wicked skater for picking on a Canadian. ;)
 

mycelticblessing

Final Flight
Joined
Nov 9, 2007
V/M skated the program better than at TEB, but why did they make that change to their ending pose? I liked the one at TEB better.

I don't think it was belittling at all. It was weird for them to be behind B/A because they beat them at the previous World Championships and B/A were recovering from an injury. He didn't say they didn't deserve their placing....just that they had come there to win. Even if it was meant to be a dig or whatever, why do people have an idea that skaters have to be nice all the time and say positive things about everybody?

They don't have to. But they should, especially if they remember how Joubert was slammed in 2008 for ''making a dig'' on Buttle.
 
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mishieru07

On the Ice
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Oct 23, 2009
V/M skated the program better than at TEB, but why did they make that change to their ending pose? I liked the one at TEB better.

It was clunky I think ... they couldn't get it to flow at both Thornhill and TEB and got quite a bit of flak for it. Maybe they just decided that it would be better to change the ending.

Well I like both versions but I think the new one works better. It's a clean, neat end. The final pose is just gorgeous. Glad that they kept the spin though!

@ anne-marie: They broke character, yes. I'm not sure whether they actually STOPPED skating altogether (might have, but the camera angle in slow mo makes it hard to tell). Only one full stop (10 secs) or two stops (5 secs) is allowed; they could've gotten dinged on that.
 

mycelticblessing

Final Flight
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Nov 9, 2007
It was clunky I think ... they couldn't get it to flow at both Thornhill and TEB and got quite a bit of flak for it. Maybe they just decided that it would be better to change the ending.

That's a pity. I did notice that it looked a little clumsy, but I thought they might have been able to fix it. I really liked it because it reminded me of ballet moves. Their new ending pose is just okay for me.
 

colleen o'neill

Medalist
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Nov 3, 2006
V/M's end pose is lovely. I wondered what they were going to do there. Much as I loved the original pose ,the way she had to roll over to hit the arabesque left too much room for error - arms or costume getting in the way, etc.This is a beautiful and touching substitute, and I wouldn't be surprised to see some further refinement of the movements coming out of the spin and into the final pose , maybe even by GPF and certainly by the Olympics.

I think Tanith and Ben are in serious trouble. Both V/M and D/W have superior programs , IMO.I generally think music/ programs with a religious theme are best left alone..especially Ave Maria for Pairs or Dance where it's so easy to see the couple in a romantic light. Almost impossible not to. I can't see how their program relates to Ave Maria. Even when they're put on their knees with 'praying hands' part way through , it only makes me wonder if they're repenting their behaviour in the rest of the program. I don't think they benefit by the coaching move. This paragraph probably belongs on one of the GPF threads. Please move it , admin.s , if you think so ,too.
 

Charlotte Elizabeth

On the Ice
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Sep 25, 2009
I have just rewatched V/M free dance from TEB and noticed how they progressed from that to SC! Ending at TEB was also beautiful and touching. I have a little question. Did they actually kiss in the middle of the dance (1.10 min.) and is it part of choreo? ?? It looked like they are so in love! I know that everybody say they are not a couple in real life and did look genuine.
This is their program from TEB
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSBDInM3mjc
 
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