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Thread: Ladies SP 13:15 pm Eastern Time Friday, November 20

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blades of Passion View Post
    It's not just the 3-3, though?

    Yu-Na is a better performer (SO much more personality) and she is better on other technical elements in comparison to Joannie as well, not just the combination jump.
    ...and she scores on average 6 points higher in an SP for it... what is your point?

    And it is not as though every last move that Yu-na executes is of a clearly superior quality to every move of a mere skater of Joannie's caliber.... And not as though "personality" trumps every other nuance of maturity and refinedness that can be on display...

    I'd go on, but this thread really doesn,t need to become about Yu-Na..

    another note: I'll have to rewatch, I didn't think Joannie's layback was "poor", as some were saying! Not an exciting flexible position, but reasonably fast, crisp and well centred.... the lack of some freakish contortion does not make the spin "bad"!

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    Weird skating event for Ladies...
    Started out great with the two Canadians both making a statement for the Canadian Nationals;: 'we are good; consider us for the team!' My personal preference goes to Amelie...
    Mirai: does some really nice things out there... Pretty low score; but at least she placed in the top three.
    Alissa: I know that technically she mustn't win because that would mean Ashley could be out of the final; but there's no way I could root against such a beautiful skater! She performed lovely and look at that smiley face when her scores came .
    Then Akiko got such a low score!! Yes it shouldn't have been near sixty; but that was just harsh! She brings such nice quality to her skating; wow footwork!
    Caroline: triple-triple did look slightly UR but at least she went for it; also does some really nice things out there but she's boring! I thought her SP seemed to last forever; I remember feeling the same way about her LP at TEB. And right; snarky comments from her; she is not liking this low scoring thing.
    Laura: disappointed me; this is where my feed broke so I still have no idea what she did for her solo triple; I did see the double toe-triple toe fall (but she didn't get a deduction?)
    Joannie: couldn't watch; have to wait until it's on youtube; happy she's dealing with the pressure. Lots of major events on Canadian soil (Nats, Olys) so she better start getting used to the pressure that brings!

    All in all; I could live but the standings; but just a weird event. Not a splatfest though; just a little weird.

    And wow 3-8 are so close together! I guess a lot could still happen in the LP... I hope the top 2 stays the same though . If Akiko could sneak in a third: that would be perfect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkestMoon View Post
    Joannie held her layback spin long enough to meet at least a level 3. Please Yuna's layback is not that great either and she gets a level 4
    Joannie traveled quite a bit on her layback and had less speed than Yu-Na (in addition to being level 3 rather than level 4). That's a big difference.

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkestMoon View Post
    Her non-jump elements is great because of her great edge control and speed. Levels in spins and spirals are not based on only flexibility.
    Joannie usually don't have great speed OR edge control in her spins, sorry.

    Her footwork was not great here either.

    As for the comparison to Cohen, Joannie has better edges in her stroking but she is inferior in every other regard when comparing the presentation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lySAcek View Post
    70.00?

    66 would've been reasonable, even with being a Canadian! lol
    Really? How exactly did you come up with that number?

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    I would grade Joannie's performance that she just gave as:

    3Lz + 2T ----------------> +1 GOE ---> 8.3 points
    3F ------------------------> +1 GOE ---> 6.5 points
    Flying Sit (level 4) -----> +1 GOE ---> 3.5 points
    2Axel ---------------------> +1 GOE ---> 4.5 points
    Spiral Sequence (level 4) --> +1 GOE ---> 4.4 points
    Layback (level 3) ------------> -1 GOE -----> 2.0 points
    Footwork Sequence (level 3) ---> +0 GOE ---> 3.3 points
    Combination Spin (level 4) -----> +0 GOE -----> 3.5 points

    Technical Total - 36

    Program Components:

    Skating Skills - 8.0
    Transitions - 7.5
    Performance - 7.75
    Choreography - 7.5
    Interpretation - 7.0

    Total (factored by .8 for the SP) - 30.2

    Overall - 66.2

    Definitely not 70.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blades of Passion View Post
    That did not deserve a 70. Ugh.

    But, Olympics are in Canada this year and Joannie has been ordained as the only non-Asian who can medal.
    Yeah sure, sour grapes. It was a textbook program

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    Quote Originally Posted by museksk8r View Post
    That's because Mao almost always makes silly mistakes in the SP, like not holding her spirals long enough or not reaching the highest levels on her spins. Plus, her 3+3 very often got downgraded in the SP. 2009 Worlds was an exception, but then she went on to double and flutz with a messy landing on the 3Lutz attempt.
    I'm kind of a Mao fan but I've gotta agree with this. The judges seem to want to give good marks to Mao but Mao makes those mistakes. And it's frustrating to watch, especially when a 'has-been' Fumie can pull off all L4 spins, etc.
    Last edited by hikki; 11-20-2009 at 03:26 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by herios View Post
    Yeah sure, sour grapes. It was a textbook program
    Incorrect, but feel free to post your own detailed protocol as I just did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by herios View Post
    Yeah sure, sour grapes. It was a textbook program
    It really was, and I think presentation is such a subjective thing - her icy passion on ice and understated presentation just suit the Tango so well, I freaking love that program. I really do, already loved it at Cup of China, where it was a big mess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by koongpa View Post
    I don't know, the first thing that comes to my mind is the fact that Mao never received +70 points with her wonderful skating skills and musicality, plus a 3-3. (not counting WTT) I guess there's really something special about Rochette, but I really hate that I don't see it quite well.
    I agree with this opinion. When I saw Joannie's score, it was my first thought that Mao has never broken 70 point barrier (except at WTT). Comparing Joannie with old brilliant Mao with perfect 3-3 and no flutz deduction then, Joannie's score with 3-2 and poorer spins and so on looks rather inflated.
    Last edited by steyn; 11-20-2009 at 03:24 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by herios View Post
    Yeah sure, sour grapes. It was a textbook program
    Meh, I wouldn't go that far as to call it textbook. I mean she has nice jumps, great skating skills, and pretty good interpretation, but just like Yuna her spirals and spins aren't anything spectacular (which is why I don't understand why these two garner such high GOEs for these elements).

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    Quote Originally Posted by sjwh08 View Post
    I'd be happy with the overall result if 3 points of Joannie's PCS is transferred to Akiko's PCS.

    Other than that, good job Alissa!
    ITA.
    Akkiko's PCS was too low. Her musicality and expressiveness rewarded more generously.
    Also, I couldn't see anything special in Joannie's performance that PCS went up 31.xx though she has good skating skills.

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    Oh i am so glad I am going to be at the Olympics and not on these boards during those two weeks! It is only going to get worse and worse...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blades of Passion View Post
    Joannie traveled quite a bit on her layback and had less speed than Yu-Na (in addition to being level 3 rather than level 4). That's a big difference.



    Joannie usually don't have great speed OR edge control in her spins, sorry.

    Her footwork was not great here either.

    As for the comparison to Cohen, Joannie has better edges in her stroking but she is inferior in every other regard when comparing the presentation.
    Wow, were you even watching the SP? Rochette's spins are centered. She improved her spins a lot compared to what she had before. Rochette may not have the same speed as Yuna, but she is certainly not skating like Zhang out there. PCS are not personality on ice points. Artistry is subjective just because Rochette doesn't perform a flashy program doesn't mean a subtle program can't score well under CoP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blades of Passion View Post
    I would grade Joannie's performance that she just gave as:

    3Lz + 2T ----------------> +1 GOE ---> 8.3 points
    3F ------------------------> +1 GOE ---> 6.5 points
    Flying Sit (level 4) -----> +1 GOE ---> 3.5 points
    2Axel ---------------------> +1 GOE ---> 4.5 points
    Spiral Sequence (level 4) --> +1 GOE ---> 4.4 points
    Layback (level 3) ------------> -1 GOE -----> 2.0 points
    Footwork Sequence (level 3) ---> +0 GOE ---> 3.3 points
    Combination Spin (level 4) -----> +0 GOE -----> 3.5 points

    Technical Total - 36

    Program Components:

    Skating Skills - 8.0
    Transitions - 7.5
    Performance - 7.75
    Choreography - 7.5
    Interpretation - 7.0

    Total (factored by .8 for the SP) - 30.2

    Overall - 66.2

    Definitely not 70.
    thanks for saving my time. lol
    actually I would give her 1 more point to GOE, so that' will make 67 at MAX.

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