How do you know that Yuna's preocupation with 3 flip affected her 3 lutz? Yuna herself said that she was shocked after making a mistake on her 3 lutz 3 toeloop combination and THAT was what affected her proceeding jumping elements. Had she landed her 3 lutz 3 toeloop, she might have landed her 3 flip with no problems.
As you said, she perfomed 3 flip in her both short programmes and they were great. So I think it's too early to jump to the conclusion after just two events and say that she developed some mental problems with her flip. We will see how she will fare at Grand Prix Final. If she makes a mistake on flip there, then I think we may start worrying.
Well, it's not like Yuna is not being rewarded for her 3lutz 3toeloop...Originally Posted by macemace1980
And the only time Mao landed 3 axel 2 toeloop in her short programme she got a pretty good score, too. About 5 point higher than Joannie here. You might argue that 5 points difference is too little, but you have to remember that Mao does not put 3 lutz in her short programme which as it turns out for some skaters might be as super difficult as 3 axel for the others.
Yes, but also there are people who don not like Yuna's short programme and think that Joannie's is great. That' all matter of opinion.Originally Posted by cosmos
For me it is the BEST SP I have seen this year.
Her jumps were simply immaculate from her entry to air position to the exceptionally FINE flow she completed them with.
I would also add that Joannie's skating has a sophistication and refinement that at times I feel is lacking from some of the other top ladies.
Just my opinion and I think her score was fine.
I have difficulty figuring out why Akiko and Mirai got such low PCS and Lepisto was relatively good. The greatest disparities are found in transition, choreo, and interpretation where Lepisto scored relatively high and Suzuki and Mirai scored relatively low.
Lepisto does also superb skating skills. Her SP also has such an understated beauty, which I truly love, but can typically be underscored.
I thought that Suzuki and Mirai both have a decent program with great choreo, interpretation (esp Suzuki), and transition. Mirai also skates extremely fast and beautifully. Suzuki's skating skills are not bad, either. I just cannot get it.
Do you think that the judges here are a bit different from the ones in the previous events?
PCS= SS TR PE CH IN
1 Joannie ROCHETTE CAN 31.60 = 7.85 7.50 8.05 8.00 8.10
2 Alissa CZISNY USA 26.92= 7.15 6.05 7.05 6.55 6.85
3 Mirai NAGASU USA 24.04 = 6.35 5.50 6.25 6.05 5.90
4 Laura LEPISTÖ FIN 26.60 = 6.95 6.20 6.65 6.75 6.70
5 Cynthia PHANEUF CAN 24.48 = 6.45 5.40 6.40 6.05 6.30
6 Amelie LACOSTE CAN 22.40 = 5.95 5.15 5.85 5.50 5.55
7 Caroline ZHANG USA 23.00 = 6.20 5.20 5.85 5.80 5.70
8 Akiko SUZUKI JPN 23.20 = 6.40 5.00 6.05 5.90 5.65
9 Jenna MCCORKELL GBR 20.56 = 5.55 4.50 5.40 5.20 5.05
10 Sarah HECKEN GER 19.80 = 5.30 4.25 5.35 5.00 4.85
11 Joshi HELGESSON SWE 19.40 = 5.25 4.25 5.10 4.95 4.70
Ugh, people need to stop comparing scores with those from years ago! Especially those when Mao and Yu Na were 16 and still developing into the skaters they are today.
If you are going to compare scores, compare Joannie's score with Alissa, Mirai, and Laura. I think she deserved to be 6.5 points above Alissa because she is so much faster, her footwork is much better, and her jumps are much higher, bigger, and faster. Alissa 3lz-2t combo is always soo slow, she goes 3lz - PAUSE - 2t. Both girls were great, but Joannie's huge jumps are so much more exciting to watch, plus she is as artistic as Alissa, just in a different way. She's very athletic vs Alissa being artistic.
Mirai was awesome too, but as a 16 year old, her artistry is not quite as developed as the top two skaters, plus she got edge calls and negative GOEs for her jumps. Laura Lepisto messed up most of her jumps and got a 56 so why can't Joannie get a 70? The scores are inflated but I think she deserved to be 6 points ahead of Alissa and 14 ahead of Mirai with jump problems
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I also agree that Joannie was sophisticated. Her understated artistry and clean lines were not "chaotic" at all. She skated great, although I agree she wasn't "knock-me-out-of-my-seat". Yes, Tango is a combination of fire and ice. There was a bit too much ice in Joannie's performance, for me; she didn't get into the music as much as I would have liked. I think she was nervous as well. I hope when she gets more confident with the piece, she relaxes and pushes her performance a tad more.
I don't really care about dissecting scores on these Grand Prix's so much anymore. The GPF, Oly's, and World's scores are what matter the most, and inflation during the GP's for ANY skater is more likely to hurt than help.
I am sorry for Mirai.
She also has an incredible extension on her jump landings. It is the best in the world:
Just because she doesn't twist her body into a pretzel or hold her leg in a vertical line doesn't mean she has extension problems!
I finally had a chance to watch Rochette's SP on Universal Sport. She had a very clean and well executed program that probably deserved the score that she got. Having said that, I can't say it was my cup of tea. For me her arm movements seem choppy, curt and a bit forced. I found her transitions between elements not particularly cohesive or flowing. As for her artistry being "mature", I don't really know what that means so I won't comment on it. Perhaps it is just that I do not find her aesthetics to my taste. However, I must also say that I did not see the joy of skating in her skating that I've seen in some top skaters, i.e. Michelle Kwan. I will never forget seeing Michelle in almost tears after her performance from the pure joy of it. That kind of joy is missing from her skating... but very very few skaters have that. Nonetheless, it was an excellent performance that is deservedly first place.